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Comments on: Helping me to help me http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:32:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Precommitment - the dressing down edition « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-475 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:32:12 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-475 […] 5 09 2008 When I drink on Friday’s I suffer from a commitment problem (likely stemming from my own time inconsistency).  Fundamentally, before drinking I don’t want to go into town and drink too much (as I have […]

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By: Welfare and time inconsistency « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-474 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:33:03 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-474 […] some stuff) about time inconsistency (using smoking as an example), an issue that Rauparaha covered here. Now I know close to nothing about this stuff – but hopefully a discussion on it will enlight me, […]

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By: More smoking in public « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-473 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:32:52 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-473 […] smoking in public 23 04 2008 I’ve talked a lot before about hyperbolic discounting, time inconsistency and smoking. Reading a paper by Gruber and Koszegi on the topic yesterday, I […]

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By: An expensive habit « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-472 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:54:00 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-472 […] expensive habit 13 03 2008 We’ve talked in the past about how smokers would be better off if they could precommit to not smoking in the […]

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By: www.learnhypnosiseasily.info » Helping me to help me http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-468 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:12:46 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-468 […] rauparaha put an intriguing blog post on Helping me to help me.Here’s a quick excerpt:The problem here is that there is no device available to the women that allows them to commit to leaving the relationship and force their ‘future self’ not to return. A no-drop policy on the part of prosecutors gives them that … […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-467 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:19:51 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-467 Hey hey, I get paid to do the ‘astrology’ of economics, you do the beautiful astronomy part.

Thats what you get when you have Tarot card reading on your CV 😉

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-466 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:00:09 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-466 That’s how I understand it, Matt. Although, as Kimble points out, sloppy analysis like that is probably the reason that you get paid to do economics and I pay to do it 😉

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-465 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:50:24 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-465 If I mangled together two different causes of dynamic inconsistency as often as you did, I would be embarassed to show my face at the pub.

PS. I thought dynamic inconsistency was brought on by drinking too much beer.

PPS. My mistake, I was thinking of dynamic incontinency.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-469 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:02:58 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-469 Ahhhh I see. The welfare comparison is between the case when the person maximises their utility subject to the choice of their future-selves, and the case when the person can choice both their current and future choice right now. Thanks 🙂

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-470 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:36:16 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/helping-me-to-help-me/#comment-470 I don’t think you’re wrong: I just didn’t really explain anything about time inconsistency in the post 🙂

1) Papers usually tend to take the person’s current preferred choice as the optimal one. They calculate the choices that the agent would make if they had full precommitment power and take that as the welfare maximising trajectory. Obviously future selves would disagree but that’s the cause of the welfare loss so their disagreement is essentially disregarded. From the point of view of the current period the precommitment outcome can be regarded as first best.

2) There are two ways of modelling inconsistent agents: as self-aware agents who recognise that they’re inconsistent or as naive agents who don’t. Naive agents will exhibit inconsistency in their decisions, while self-aware agents will take into account the consequences of future incentives to deviate when they choose their current action. As you say, the sophisticated agents will be sub-game perfect in their decision making. However, compensating for future incentives to deviate acts as a constraint upon their utility maximisation and means they can only achieve a second best outcome. Depending upon the payoffs it can sometimes be the case that the naive agent is better off than the sophisticated one! In either case, availing the agents of precommitment power can improve their overall welfare.

3) Inconsistency usually arises as a result of either inter-temporal, intra-personal externalities or as a result of a non-exponential discount rate. In the first case, a sophisticated agent will compensate for the externalities in order to be time consistent but, thus constrained, will not be able to achieve first best outcomes. This type of inconsistency is usually caused by the current payoff depending upon an expected future action. In the latter case the cause of inconsistency is obvious, as you say.

Does that make any sense or did I fail to really explain it all over again?

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