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Comments on: Student Loans: The good the bad and the Ugly http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: vugvivnc http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-727 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:48 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-727 vugvivnc

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By: Student Loans « Something should go here, maybe later. http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-726 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:45:45 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-726 […] WhaleOil pulls out this great quote: The big question then is, will this actually make things worse? What it […]

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By: Equity Loan » Blog Archive » Student Loans: The good the bad and the Ugly http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-725 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:09:13 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-725 […] Bill Totten’s Weblog wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptNational announced yesterday that it is going to keep interest free student loans. As someone with a student loan I love the scheme and the free money it gives me. When I put my economist hat I think that it is terrible policy since it … […]

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-724 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:43:37 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-724 No offense taken! Through a combination of scholarships and working upto 30 hours a week I went through my first 3 years of University without a student loan. I didn’t start borrowing until the interest free policy was introduced. From my perspective it meant I no longer had to work as much and thus could concentrate more on my studies in the crunch years.

Given that you don’t pay interest and your loan is written off when you die, the only reason I can see not to take out a student loan is if you think a future government will reverse the policy. I personally don’t think this will happen as there would be a huge backlash from students.

Another problem related to the brain drain is that even though by leaving the country you are forced to pay interest, quite often the difference in wages more than compensates that.

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By: oliverquestforsecurity http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-723 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:24:01 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-723 Frankly, I don’t think most students think like you do! (No offense intended in the comment!) Anyway, let’s not forget that your article to people unfamiliar with tertiary education reforms in the last two decades in New Zealand gives the impression students literally can borrow from the Government as one does from a bank.

No matter how much economics you introduce into the debate, the vast bulk of students I’d say actually avoid getting excessive loans. I know of many people who in their first year of university study borrowed for living costs, then after seeing the huge amount of money they’d borrowed after the first year, started working part time and reduced their loan to just paying for fees.

Personally, I have been soley borrowed for paying for my courses. The amount of hoops I’ve had to go through for that alone has been such a pain in the arse I’ve hardly even given any thought to borrowing for course costs. And the idea of borrowing for living costs is simply lazy in my mind (I have worked for a couple of days a week, sometimes as much as 30 hours a week, whilst studying), as well as grossly wasteful in terms of how much it adds to the student loan.

What frustrates me is that is that there is no serious discussion around being more generous to students with fees and less generous with living costs – I for one can’t afford to pay for my own fees, which often go up by 5% each year in cost, yet I don’t borrow anywhere near the ‘maximum’ I can.

Jim Anderton is probably the only Parliamentarian who understands the way we are grossly wasting human capital by driving Kiwis overseas with student loans – and why John Key, if he really is serious about bringing New Zealanders home, needs to start progressively softening the entire student loan scheme.

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By: Interest free student loans and compulsory schooling: Is there a better way? « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-722 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:11:32 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-722 […] that it will leave student loans interest free, but provide a reward for repayments (leading to much […]

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By: Student Loans » Blog Archive » Student Loans: The good the bad and the Ugly http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-721 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:06:50 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-721 […] the rest of this great post here Posted […]

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By: Loans » Blog Archive » Student Loans: The good the bad and the Ugly http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-720 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:45:03 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-720 […] Sirkuspelle wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptNational announced yesterday that it is going to keep interest free student loans. As someone with a student loan I love the scheme and the free money it gives me. When I put my economist hat I think that it is terrible policy since it … […]

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-719 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:51 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-719 I guess regardless of what the interest rate is, or what bonus you get for paying it back, the fact that your loan is written off when you die and not passed on to your children is the single biggest disincentive to repay the loan.

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By: limitedfaith http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/02/01/student-loans-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-718 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:31:42 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=225#comment-718 “What many economists think would have been sensible is to index the loans for inflation so that they a constant real value over time and thus the same perverse incentives regarding repayment don’t exist.”

Even if the loans were indexed to inflation there’s a disincentive to repay, as indexing the loan to inflation merely increases the real interest rate to zero. Who’s going to voluntarily pay back a zero real interest loan?

“I completely agree and this is why economists think that interest free student loans are a bad idea.”

It’d be more accurate to say “that’s ONE OF THE REASONS why economists think they’re a bad idea”.

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