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Comments on: Reply: What’s the Matter with Utilitarianism http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/04/07/reply-whats-the-matter-with-utilitarianism/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 20 May 2008 20:44:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Utilitarianism again and again « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/04/07/reply-whats-the-matter-with-utilitarianism/#comment-1183 Tue, 20 May 2008 20:44:30 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=318#comment-1183 […] again and again 21 05 2008 Terence at LAANTA has replied to my reply on his post on the problems with […]

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/04/07/reply-whats-the-matter-with-utilitarianism/#comment-1182 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:14:32 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=318#comment-1182 Spectacular, I’m looking forward to it 🙂

]]> By: terence http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/04/07/reply-whats-the-matter-with-utilitarianism/#comment-1181 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:45:25 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=318#comment-1181 Oh – just saw this (too little time on the internet recently). I’ll include a reply when I reply to my own post – hopefully over the next few days.

cheers

Terence

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/04/07/reply-whats-the-matter-with-utilitarianism/#comment-1180 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:46:52 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=318#comment-1180 I guess there are two ways we can view justice in a utilitarian framework.

1) It is an intrinsic value that people hold – ergo it should go into their utility function and be part of their welfare measurement.

2) It is part of rule following behaviour that leads to more socially optimal outcomes than without it.

Ultimately, when we are analyzing behaviour we could say that people should do what is right because it is right, but it feels more complete to define when the person action is actually optimal – and then compare that boundary to what happens in reality.

Holistic arguments such as what is right is right seem rather baseless to me, a utilitarian argument can provide a more practical lens with which to analyse decisions, while being just as tautological 😉

]]> By: CPW http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/04/07/reply-whats-the-matter-with-utilitarianism/#comment-1179 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:22:32 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=318#comment-1179 Matt, to steal the old overcoming bias riff, it doesn’t concern you that there is always some finite number of specks of dust in the eye that ultimately reduces welfare more than brutally torturing somebody reduces welfare?

I accept Terence’s criticism that utilitarianism can get you justice-consistent outcomes without any actual belief in justice as a concept. Does this really matter though? I’d be curious for further comment.

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