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Comments on: A tax free threshold? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:10:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-11249 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:10:22 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-11249 “I may be simplifying here, but would think that a tex free threshold would simplify the IRD’s work around low earners and minors falling beneath the tax threshold, who would not need to file or be reported.”

I’m not sure why a tax free threshold would involve lower compliance costs than a low tax bracket. Ultimately, IRD has to try and find out if people are within that bracket to start with, and firms need to adjust payments based on a lower bracket.

Having less brackets would reduce compliance costs – but I’m not sure a tax free one is any different to a low tax one for compliance costs.

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By: CK http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-11248 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:54:11 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-11248 I may be simplifying here, but would think that a tex free threshold would simplify the IRD’s work around low earners and minors falling beneath the tax threshold, who would not need to file or be reported. I have to file my daughter’s details with the IRD, just to get her off the 39% tax rate – seems like extra work that would be saved. A tax free threshold would encourage people to think about coming back to part-time work to supplement incomes, pensions etc – maybe not appropriate at the moment, but a good move in stable economic times.

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By: Income vs consumption taxes: What’s the difference « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1408 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:28:14 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1408 […] and tax (diminishing marginal utility), (Flat taxes and fairness), (fiscal responsibilities), (tax free threshold), (income splitting), (tax cuts and […]

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By: Tax cut issues « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1407 Mon, 19 May 2008 20:42:53 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1407 […] I stated here, I’m not a huge proponent of the “churn” argument.  As a result, I think there […]

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By: CPW http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1406 Sat, 17 May 2008 01:43:50 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1406 Benefits are taxed, but I’m 90% certain that legislation mandates the net of tax level of the benefit, so if taxes were lowered, the gross benefit would also be lowered, and the net of tax benefit would remain the same. I think superannuation is different though.

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By: terence http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1405 Fri, 16 May 2008 03:29:13 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1405 hiya Matt and CPW,

Very quickly – last I was on a benefit (quite some time ago) it seemed to be taxed too. This may have changed, or my recollection may have been wrong, but if it is still the case then the TFT would be of benefit to beneficiaries. Agreed that it would only be a small one though.

My personal problem with it (being a leftie and all) is that it gives money to people who don’t need it. My own suggestion was to implement the TFT but to accompany it with an increased top marginal tax rate.

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By: Sinner http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1404 Thu, 15 May 2008 04:28:21 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1404 I think this is a crazy idea – and I have no idea why any self-respecting “right winger” would support it.

This adds another tax bracket, makes the tax system much less flat, much more “progressive”, increase *marginal* tax rates above the threshold, and rewards low-income people for small amounts of low-value work.

If we want to give $3.4 billion back (or however much) by far the most effective measure would be to reduce the corporate tax rate by 3%.
The next most effective measure would be to *cap* individual taxation
– say offering a 100% rebate for every dollar of tax paid over $50,000 for an individual. That is, the marginal rate for income of $150,000 would be 0%.

This would have a number of highly beneficial macroeconomic effects: increasing savings and investment, encouraging high-value participants to return to NZ (or not to leave in the first place), and has a positive outcome for fiscal drag (assuming that threshold is *not* indexed).

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By: Kiwiblog » Blog Archive » Blog Bits http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1403 Thu, 15 May 2008 03:58:58 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1403 […] The Visible Hand in Economics looks at the case for and againgst a tax free threshold. […]

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By: CPW http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1402 Wed, 14 May 2008 22:41:22 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1402 Although a tax-free threshold would reduce inequality for people with earned income it would increase it for people without earned income, the latter group is where poverty is concentrated. And very little of that $3bn cost would go to people in poverty, hence my description as “poorly targeted”.

Interesting empirical evidence on the negative income tax (which is the G.M.I by another name) in the US, I think this supports Matt’s point re participation.

Generally, isn’t the main reason for supporting broad-based flat rate tax systems is that you get the lowest marginal rates over the widest range? Whereas a tax-free threshold has very little impact on anyone’s marginal rate – if you’re working you’re probably earning more than $9,500 (14 hours a week at the minimum wage). Admittedly the average rate is important too, it’s possible that if part-time, low-income workers had a really elastic labour supply the tax-free threshold might be an efficient policy in some cases in terms of raising participation.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/14/a-tax-free-threshold/#comment-1401 Wed, 14 May 2008 20:34:23 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=361#comment-1401 Don’t get me wrong – I’m not heavily against the idea. I just think that the tax, benefit, and education systems need to be more heavily integrated – as the impact on human capital of certain scheme is usually under-valued by economists.

My opinion (where I also assume that the purpose of the benefit is to give people a minimum income) is here:

http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/interest-free-student-loans-and-compulsory-schooling-is-there-a-better-way/

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