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Comments on: Should the government reward effort? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 23 May 2008 21:31:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/#comment-1432 Fri, 23 May 2008 21:31:49 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=384#comment-1432 “How many part timers/seasonal workers do a deal with the boss to do the minimum hours to get to the 10K bracket and then spend the rest of their time “doing something else”. Does this show up in the stats and is it significant enough to affect overall productivity”

That is a good point. It does show up in the data – there are spikes at each income tax bracket and at areas with high EMTR’s. Patrick Nolan from NZIER has done a lot of work on this sort of stuff – he’d have more of an idea about how this functions in the New Zealand context.

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By: Fred http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/#comment-1431 Fri, 23 May 2008 07:47:56 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=384#comment-1431 Interesting, in fact more than interesting, if I’m reading that right. I only asked because I wondered whether friends of ours had actually worked out whether it was worth Dad working Saturday, or Mum taking on evening work. Most will be well above the $30,000 bracket below which something seems to be seriously amiss. If I read the graph correctly someone earning around 13K gets a top up to 25K with one child and around 31K with two. So to ask the obvious question. How many part timers/seasonal workers do a deal with the boss to do the minimum hours to get to the 10K bracket and then spend the rest of their time “doing something else”. Does this show up in the stats and is it significant enough to affect overall productivity.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/#comment-1430 Thu, 22 May 2008 20:14:30 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=384#comment-1430 “Matt, where’s a quick calculator showing the marginal rates, in particular taking into account WFF”

I’m not sure there are any calculators around working out EMTR’s – however IRD has done some work on them.

http://www.ird.govt.nz/aboutir/reports/briefing/briefing-2005/bim-part2/bim-part2a.html

A good graph is here:

http://www.ird.govt.nz/resources/file/eb63c649ad71c2b/bim-figure7-large-doc.jpg

Although it looks like the EMTR’s here are actually only MTR’s + WFF – they don’t seem to include the removal of other benefits, which would increase the EMTR’s early in the scale.

This is on the old tax scales though – the tax cuts will shift these EMTR’s up the nominal income scale (although in real terms they should be equivalent to the situation in say 2002/03 (wild guess) if WFF has been fully integrated by then).

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By: Fred http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/#comment-1429 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:58:24 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=384#comment-1429 Matt, where’s a quick calculator showing the marginal rates, in particular taking into account WFF. Some graphs would be nice 🙂

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/#comment-1428 Thu, 22 May 2008 01:18:43 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=384#comment-1428 “Nice work.”

Thanks Kimble 🙂

“I still think the movement towards the reservation wage would occur with some sort of a universal benefit scheme”

Agreed. But to figure out how, we have to realise that the “reservation wage” is actually a function of benefit payments.

If benefit payments are higher, the reservation wage will be higher – as the price of leisure is greater (given diminishing marginal utility of income) and the EMTR’s are higher. As a result, higher low income welfare will lead to higher low income income 🙂

Of course I expect you to say that if we go back to the efficiency-equity trade-off this creates problems, as lower taxes would encourage higher labour supply while higher benefits reduce the labour supply (this could be partially over-come by making the welfare payments partially dependent on work, or at least work search). I agree, I would say the same thing 😉

However, if the tax cuts don’t achieve equity outcomes – because all the surplus is extracted by firms, then we only have the option of achieving equity considerations through benefits.

Asking Dr Cullen to make the tax system more progressive won’t help those who need/deserve it, and will screw up savings and labour supply incentives further up the income chain – in a couple of hours we’ll see how he did this 🙂

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/22/should-the-government-reward-effort/#comment-1427 Thu, 22 May 2008 00:58:40 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=384#comment-1427 Nice work.

The ’employer’ has greater knowledge of an employees tax than their welfare receipts. But they still, over time, will come to learn their employees welfare status, and this would be more true if welfare payments become more common.

I reckon that the movement towards the reservation wage because of a tax cut would be relatively quick, but I still think the movement towards the reservation wage would occur with some sort of a universal benefit scheme. It will just take a little longer. Short run vs Long run again.

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