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Comments on: Employer contribution and Kiwisaver http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 30 May 2008 01:23:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/#comment-1505 Fri, 30 May 2008 01:23:52 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=401#comment-1505 “If this happens, non-enrollees are doubly-disadvantaged: they don’t get the advantage of KS employer contributions and tax credits, and they get the disadvantage of a real wage decrease”

This is an interesting issue. As long as the employer contribution “increases the cost of employees” this will lead to a reduction in labour demand, which will decrease real wages – true.

However, if a non-KS person can commit to staying out of the scheme this should not happen, as they can commit to being a lower cost labour resource and so can get an appropriately higher real wage.

As a result, we have to ask if there is any way someone can commit to this type of strategy before stipulating that there will be a real wage (growth) fall for non-KS employees.

“since many unionised employees will receive a given wage rise regardless of whether they personally are enroled in KiwiSaver”

All we need is a change in the wage level though – then wage growth can be equivalent. As long as someone in Kiwisaver can be paid 4% less than someone not in Kiwisaver then giving people “union negotiated” pay rises shouldn’t make a difference should it?

If doing this is legal now – then a National government making it explicit isn’t a big deal is it?

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By: Lew http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/#comment-1504 Fri, 30 May 2008 01:09:39 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=401#comment-1504 CPW: Thanks for pointing this out. The money quote seems to be “After [13 December 2007], your employer can offset their contribution against “pay movements”, so long as this is negotiated in good faith.”

The phenomenon I describe would still be the case despite this, since many unionised employees will receive a given wage rise regardless of whether they personally are enroled in KiwiSaver; and indeed even non-union members working in unionised workplaces often have union-negotiated benefits extended to them. My analysis stands to a large extent.

L

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By: CPW http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/#comment-1503 Thu, 29 May 2008 23:15:48 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=401#comment-1503 Employment law is not my strength, but I was under the impression that it is already perfectly legal for employers to pay someone in KiwiSaver less than someone not in KiwiSaver doing the same job. Hence this is a non-issue.

Details here

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By: Lew http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/#comment-1502 Thu, 29 May 2008 22:41:34 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=401#comment-1502 G’day Matt,

Yes, it is a rationale for the change, but it would require a shift in the policy’s purpose to be a genuine rationale – essentially an emphasis shift away from `encouraging retirement savings’ to something like `enabling retirement savings but not at the cost of [other things]’.

It’s occurred to me that a pareto advantage is only gained from KS tax credits and employer contributions if overall wages don’t fall as a result of the policy. I believe it’s illegal for employers to deny an increase on the basis that the employee costs the employer 4% more due to KS, for instance. This creates the possibility of real wage growth slowing across the board (not just those of KS enrollees) because of pressure from KS on employers. If this happens, non-enrollees are doubly-disadvantaged: they don’t get the advantage of KS employer contributions and tax credits, and they get the disadvantage of a real wage decrease.

This cost in `fairness’ is weighed against the benefit of increased retirement savings. Although it would be objectively `unfair’, this significant advantage of belonging to KS could be a reasonable cost given the main purpose of the scheme. Of course: change the scheme’s purpose and the cost-benefit balance changes.

L

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/#comment-1501 Thu, 29 May 2008 22:09:44 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=401#comment-1501 Hi Lew,

“Bringing fairness into it is nice in theory, but nothing to do with the policy itself.”

Agreed in a sense, looking at it as one instrument one goal we should only be worried about the impact on aggregate savings.

However I think fairness is an important normative consideration and when it comes to determining policy it is one way of defending this potential change.

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By: Lew http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/05/30/employer-contribution-and-kiwisaver/#comment-1500 Thu, 29 May 2008 22:00:43 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=401#comment-1500 The purpose of KiwiSaver isn’t to be fair – it’s to encourage retirement saving. Offering a tax credit (pareto advantage) to those who take the opportunity to save achieves this goal.

Bringing fairness into it is nice in theory, but nothing to do with the policy itself.

L

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