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Comments on: Re-thinking interest rate policy: Asking for submissions. http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:56:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: MLemus http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-16360 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:56:39 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-16360 There is obviously a lot more to figure out about this issue, but you made some really good points. I will definitely be checking here more often. Thank you.

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By: Paul http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1688 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:44:39 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1688 What is inflation? My understanding of inflation and the monetary policy that is used to control it seems way different from that outlined here. Probably because I have not studied economics for long enough.

So this is what I understand:
The I in CPI stands for ‘index’, not ‘inflation’. The CPI is an index that tells us how much prices have changed across a standardised basket of products that are purchased by consumers. Hence: consumer price index.

Changes in the CPI are used as shorthand for the amount of inflation because when there is x% inflation there is expected to be an equal x% general increase in prices. This doesn’t say what inflation is. I will come to that.

But the problem with that index is that it is a standardised basket of products. It assumes the mix of products stays relatively constant. To be a useful comparison over time it needs to keep a pretty constant mix. The problem is that the weighting of products in the economy is constantly changing, not least because of relative price changes. For example, the amount of petrol purchased is changing as the price rises relative to everything else.

I think you rightly say that the amount of money in the economy, adjusted for velocity, is a measure of money supply.

And I think you are right to say that if money supply increases, prices can be expected to increase, all other factors being equal. My understanding is that inflation is a measure of the increase in the money supply, and rising general price levels is the result of inflation.

My understanding of monetary policy as a way to keep prices under control, is that it works as follows: increasing money supply leads to rising prices, so to prevent rising prices we take money out of the hands of those who spend it, namely consumers. To take money out of the hands of consumers we raise interest rates, which reduces the amount of money consumers have available for discretionary spend. This works really well if everyone in the economy is exposed to variable interest rates, which was the mostly case when monetary policy was first used to control inflation. The speed at which a change in interest rates can drive a change in spending is influenced by how quickly that change in rates sucks money out of the hands of consumers and businesses.

(And as an aside, the cost of controlling prices is borne by that portion of society for whom changes in interest rates causes immediate change in the amount of money they have available to spend. And to avoid that cost most of those who can have switched their borrowing to fixed interest rates over longer periods of time. And the result is that for interest rate changes to impact on prices it now takes a greater amount of change in rates, and a longer time, to suck the requisite amount of money out of the economy, and the cost is felt by a smaller group).

Now along comes an increase in the world price of oil. Prices of oil rise at the pumps. Everyone is exposed to the price of oil, and more money is spent on that oil. What happens to the supply of money in our economy? It gets reduced because the money is sent overseas to buy the oil. So a rise in the price of oil has the same inpact on money supply as a rise in the interest rate.

So by my definition of inflation, a rise in the world price of oil is deflationary in New Zealand because it reduces money supply.

Of course, it makes the CPI rise by the weighted average of the price change for petrol times the proportion that petrol makes up of the basket of goods.

Similarly rises in the price of imported food and other products does the same thing. But only to the extent that it is driven by remittances that reduct the money supply in the hands of NZ consumers.

Offsetting this to some extent is the world price of milk and other agricultural produce that we export. That brings more money into the NZ money supply, but the impact of that (both the size and how long it takes) is impacted by what the people who receive that extra money decide to do with it. What are the farmers doing with their windfall gains? Are they spending up large providing additonal employment within NZ, or are they socking the money away in the bank, paying off debt, etc? My guess is it is a bit of both, but with a slowing economy and falling confidence, these naturally conservative people will be salting a good proportion away for the rainy (or very dry) days ahead. So rising agricultural export prices and rising fuel and food import prices will not have an equal and offsetting impact on the economy.

So the upshot of all this? Rising import prices are probably having a greater deflationary effect than rising export prices are offsetting, in terms of the money supply. But a high indicator of inflation, CPI, suggests (incorrectly) that interest rates should be high. High interest rates are the wrong answer.

Of course, it is not all that simple. If we lower interest rates our exchange rate will probably fall, and those imports will become even more expensive in local terms. So someone needs to do the sums to work out the magnitude of that change. Lower exchange rates would help exporters to get busier, putting more money into the the hands of consumers. Not a bad result.

I am sure the real economists out there will be able to tell me why my understanding is all wrong. I look forward to more comments.

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By: The inflation fighting trade-off « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1687 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:03:08 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1687 […] after calling on you guys to give me some indication of your views on monetary policy we discussed what inflation is, and then we moved on to discussing the costs that stem from […]

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By: The cost of inflation « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1686 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:21:11 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1686 […] Without too many substantive criticisms of our view of what inflation is (yet) it seems that we can move on with our discussion on “re-thinking monetary policy“. […]

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1685 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:11:20 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1685 I have a very simple view on monetary policy. We have one instrument, the interest rate, and one objective, inflation, and thats about it. If we want the RB to deal with more objectives then they need more instruments, and its not clear what they are. The Brash idea of the petrol tax only changes a relative price not the price level, so I’ve never really understood that idea. Also its not clear to me that we should ask the RB to do more than worry about just one objective anyway. What if they had two objectives which require different levels of the interest rate? One objective would have to take priority, which amounts to having one objective. As to the RB considering the exchange rate I think there are a couple of problems here. One even if the RB intervenes in the market it can’t do it forever, so the best it can do is change the exchange rate for a short time and then the rate goes back to the market level. So whats the point? Second the exchange rate is a price and like all prices it can only do its job of signaling relative scarcity if its price in determined in a free market.

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By: What is inflation? « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1684 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:23:42 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1684 […] 2008 Thank you for all the insightful and intelligent comments (and posts on other blog) on the Re-thinking monetary policy post. Now that you guys have put down the important issues that we have to look at with monetary policy […]

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By: Jamesey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1683 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:34:12 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1683 “If this is so, it brings me back to my original query, what makes our economy so special that we require much higher interest rates than the US,UK, Australia to keep our inflation rate within the same range as these countries.”

I think the high interest rates here stem from that fact that New Zealand has one of the highest employment rates, yet one of the lowest productivity rates in the OECD, so whilst on an individual basis the workers here aren’t as productive as others in other OECD countries where theres been more investment in capital, whilst also having a stronger bargaining position, because of our high rate of employment. Not to mention that New Zealand is one of the few countries with such a strict monetary policy, where the Reserve Bank is constrained to having only one instrument their arsenal.

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By: Simon http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1682 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:46:45 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1682 Bryan – I understand the phenomenon of the carry trade i.e overseas investors moving money over here (and thereby increasing the exchange rate) to benefit from the increased interest rates available within NZ. However isn’t this a result of the higher interest rates rather than a cause ?

If this is so, it brings me back to my original query, what makes our economy so special that we require much higher interest rates than the US,UK, Australia to keep our inflation rate within the same range as these countries.

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By: Jamesey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1681 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:40:35 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1681 I’m inclined to believe that its more and more likely everyday that will happen, especially with the current state of retail and the real estate market. And theres always the potential for the commodity bubble to burst, especially as the high prices are encouraging other countries to expand their dairy industries. Canada, Wisconsin in the U.S., the Americas, and even China. Especially when you take into account the inflated land prices here.

Hope everyones prepared for a rough ride ahead.

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By: bryanspondre http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/07/03/re-thinking-interest-rate-policy-asking-for-submissions/#comment-1680 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:14:55 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=476#comment-1680 Yes we are very vulnerable to the actions of otherseas investors ( the Japanese housewives and Belgian dentists).

“This potential for an exodus known as the “Uridashi Tsunami” is one of the factors behind fears of a sharp slide in the New Zealand dollar and a subsequent rise in wholesale interest rates, as foreign investors would demand a higher risk premium to finance our current account deficit of around NZ$13 billion a year or 7% of GDP.”

A couple of related charts here.

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