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Comments on: What is poverty? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:04:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: terence http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1946 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:04:47 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1946 Kimble,

Not quite true: under a relative measure one can still reduce and, possibly, eliminate poverty by bringing the tail in.

Matt,

For what it’s worth I’m a fan of using both types of line, and probably outcome measures too. Like you – albeit for different reasons – I think both lines provide us useful, different information.

cheers and back to blogging about hillsides

Terence

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1945 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:12:54 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1945 “Over 850 words to arrive at this bombshell? God I love economists!”

And that was me keeping it short 😉

“Oops. That last sentence was a proof reading free zone!”

No worries, as you’ve probably noticed large sections of my post dwell in the same zone 😉

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By: North Korea http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1944 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:53:10 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1944 I demand that a film express either the joy of making cinema or the agony of making cinema. I am not at all interested in anything in between.FrancoisTruffautFrancois Truffaut

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By: Richard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1943 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:47:10 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1943 Oops. That last sentence was a proof reading free zone!

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By: Richard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1942 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:08:04 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1942 In terms of material absolute poverty I think an interesting subject is Blanket Man ( http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=87330817 for non-Wellington readers) . In terms of accumulated wealth he’s in poverty, but as a NZ citizen he has good healthcare available to him, which the the per capita spend on him would take him above the global poverty level alone. He’s also has a percentage of disposable income after accomodation higher than most millionaires (not after dope expenditure admittedly).

In terms of relative poverty he’s an (extreme) example of how not matter what level of govt intervention you’ll have relative poverty is impossible to eliminate.

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1941 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:46:11 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1941 Agreed Kimble – the never-ending battle against poverty plays into many peoples’ hands.

I find it ridiculous that it’s not measured in absolute terms. Why should someone be considered to be in poverty just because they don’t own a 40″ plasma/lcd?

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1940 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:47:28 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1940 should have been “… I think that those who favour…”

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/04/what-is-poverty/#comment-1939 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:45:41 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-1939 “…the media’s discussion on “poverty in New Zealand” is likely to be sensationalist instead of informative.”

Over 850 words to arrive at this bombshell? God I love economists!

But seriously, I think that those of us who favour a relative measure of poverty LIKE that it means poverty will never be removed. They LIKE that they can feel good about curbing the success of those on the right of the income distribution curve. Usually wishing for someone to be worse off is a bad thing, but with this measure of poverty they are able to feel virtuous about their vice.

It was probably Nome, phule, or one of the Standard trolls who might have said “Yeah, I hate rich people and want them to be poorer, but I say I am doing it because I want to help the poor so that makes it okay.”

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