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		<title>By: Real estate data and interpretation (2) &#171; The visible hand in economics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real estate data and interpretation (2) &#171; The visible hand in economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, if we take into consideration what we discussed last time, we will remember that the sale of an apartment block both biased down prices and increased sales in July.  If anything - the current figures tell us [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No turning point in housing &#171; The visible hand in economics</title>
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		<dc:creator>No turning point in housing &#171; The visible hand in economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a surprisingly &#8220;strong&#8221; month for house sales - and the real estate blog did pick that (view this comment).  However, it is important to look at this month in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JOHN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear friend,

 Wonderful  .
Accept my sincere thanks and appreciation


John ,


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Jobs – companies – real estate – engineers – petroleum company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friend,</p>
<p> Wonderful  .<br />
Accept my sincere thanks and appreciation</p>
<p>John ,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dirking.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.dirking.net</a></p>
<p>Jobs – companies – real estate – engineers – petroleum company</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would be expecting around 4,500 for July&quot;

4,489, you were nearly spot on.  Although its still over 30% down on a year earlier, it appears that house sales volumes are finding a base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would be expecting around 4,500 for July&#8221;</p>
<p>4,489, you were nearly spot on.  Although its still over 30% down on a year earlier, it appears that house sales volumes are finding a base.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that low would make it the single worst month in the history of the REINZ statistics&quot;

It is important to seasonally adjust the numbers first - March 2008 was easily the worst SA month on record, even if we get that low July figure.  However, March was missing two trading days (because of Easter).  However, even if you average March and April, the seasonally adjusted figure for that period would be worse than a July with 3,315 sales (only just though :P)

&quot;July 2007 was the first month of the stalling of the market&quot;

The market started to slow in March 2007 - but it start to slow quickly in July, that is true.  It would be hard to sustain 50% volume reductions on a year earlier, given how quickly sales fell over the second half of 2007 :P

&quot;I would be expecting around 4,500 for July&quot;

That would be the strongest seasonally adjusted month since February (I&#039;m guessing) - however, consumer confidence, petrol and food prices, and even listings growth, have cooled since then.  That seems like a big number to me - I guess we will see next week :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that low would make it the single worst month in the history of the REINZ statistics&#8221;</p>
<p>It is important to seasonally adjust the numbers first &#8211; March 2008 was easily the worst SA month on record, even if we get that low July figure.  However, March was missing two trading days (because of Easter).  However, even if you average March and April, the seasonally adjusted figure for that period would be worse than a July with 3,315 sales (only just though <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>&#8220;July 2007 was the first month of the stalling of the market&#8221;</p>
<p>The market started to slow in March 2007 &#8211; but it start to slow quickly in July, that is true.  It would be hard to sustain 50% volume reductions on a year earlier, given how quickly sales fell over the second half of 2007 <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;I would be expecting around 4,500 for July&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be the strongest seasonally adjusted month since February (I&#8217;m guessing) &#8211; however, consumer confidence, petrol and food prices, and even listings growth, have cooled since then.  That seems like a big number to me &#8211; I guess we will see next week <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>July 2007 was the first month of the stalling of the market, given the 4,305 in June, I would be expecting around 4,500 for July. The reason is that I have been tracking 2008 vs 1998 and these two years are tracking very close - 1998 had a full year of 68,000, on a year to date comparison 2008 is tracking 7% off the 1998 level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>July 2007 was the first month of the stalling of the market, given the 4,305 in June, I would be expecting around 4,500 for July. The reason is that I have been tracking 2008 vs 1998 and these two years are tracking very close &#8211; 1998 had a full year of 68,000, on a year to date comparison 2008 is tracking 7% off the 1998 level.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Brader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Brader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sales in July 2007 were 6,660 so if the 50% fall in volume continues to be the trend then July sales could actually be as low as 3,315. Will be interesting to see the data. If my memory serves me correctly a figure that low would make it the single worst month in the history of the REINZ statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sales in July 2007 were 6,660 so if the 50% fall in volume continues to be the trend then July sales could actually be as low as 3,315. Will be interesting to see the data. If my memory serves me correctly a figure that low would make it the single worst month in the history of the REINZ statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the guide is that July is traditionally lower sales than June - good years or bad&quot;

Yes, in seasonally adjusted terms it is usually a little bit lower I&#039;d say just under 4k sales in July will be about on par with June, taking into account seasonal factors.  If the number is much below 3.7k then i&#039;d say activity is starting to stall a bit more, over 4.3k activity is picking up.  However, even if activity is picking up, we&#039;ll have to look at prices to see if it is a increase in buyer demand or a willingness on the part of sellers to meet the buyer on lower prices :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the guide is that July is traditionally lower sales than June &#8211; good years or bad&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, in seasonally adjusted terms it is usually a little bit lower I&#8217;d say just under 4k sales in July will be about on par with June, taking into account seasonal factors.  If the number is much below 3.7k then i&#8217;d say activity is starting to stall a bit more, over 4.3k activity is picking up.  However, even if activity is picking up, we&#8217;ll have to look at prices to see if it is a increase in buyer demand or a willingness on the part of sellers to meet the buyer on lower prices <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, although I have a view that sales will actually be relatively strong, there are signs of a freeing up of the market and contracts being completed in July - the guide is that July is traditionally lower sales than June - good years or bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, although I have a view that sales will actually be relatively strong, there are signs of a freeing up of the market and contracts being completed in July &#8211; the guide is that July is traditionally lower sales than June &#8211; good years or bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alistair,

I&#039;m glad they mentioned the apartment sale, as it helps us distinguish between the trend and one-off factors - the trend tells us that sales remain sluggish.  This is probably a good thing in the current economic situation, as a pick up in sales would probably require a fair cut in prices given the gap between buyer and seller valuations in many areas of the domestic housing market.

However, I get the feeling they only mentioned the sale in order to justify lower prices, rather than as the result of wanting to promote the dissemination of information :D

My feeling is that the apartment market in Auckland is nearing its trough (depending on the outlook for the remaining finance companies) and as a result, the apartment block sale was probably fairly heavily discounted.  I&#039;m picking the annual house price fall to be closer to 2% (July quarter on July quarter) when the figures come out next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alistair,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad they mentioned the apartment sale, as it helps us distinguish between the trend and one-off factors &#8211; the trend tells us that sales remain sluggish.  This is probably a good thing in the current economic situation, as a pick up in sales would probably require a fair cut in prices given the gap between buyer and seller valuations in many areas of the domestic housing market.</p>
<p>However, I get the feeling they only mentioned the sale in order to justify lower prices, rather than as the result of wanting to promote the dissemination of information <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My feeling is that the apartment market in Auckland is nearing its trough (depending on the outlook for the remaining finance companies) and as a result, the apartment block sale was probably fairly heavily discounted.  I&#8217;m picking the annual house price fall to be closer to 2% (July quarter on July quarter) when the figures come out next week.</p>
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