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Comments on: No turning point in housing http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:05:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2223 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:05:46 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2223 “If they can and do hold on long enough then perhaps the market will agree with them eventually”

Indeed – at least in nominal terms, as inflation will eat away at the real value of the property anyway.

As a result, the movement in the housing market will depend on a number of factors, such as how much financial stress homeowners are under, and what proportion of property is owned by investors.

“We cant just keep selling each other our homes in order to make a continual profit (again as we saw in the US) at some point the pool of potential buyers drys up and the market stalls”

Which is what we are seeing around the world now – ultimately prices have moved out of line with fundamentals, and we are going to see some sort of downwards movement (in real terms).

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By: Hans Brough http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2222 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:40:53 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2222 Thanks for writing this piece. As a recent arrival to NZ from the SF Bay Area my general impression is that housing is not a good buy here and now. Interest rates are high, and housing is expensive relative to local wages. That’s a shame because the quality of life here in many respects is outstanding. If housing was 30% below it’s current level then it would be a no brainer to stay here and I’d gladly hand over my tax dollars for the many services provided by the government.

One issue I didn’t see addressed above is the decidedly un-commodity like nature of housing. It’s a slow moving beast driven in large part by emotion – nothing like the forex market or oil futures etc etc. As we saw in the U.S. home owners tend to hang on to outdated ideas of how much their home is worth irregardless of what the market is saying. If they can and do hold on long enough then perhaps the market will agree with them eventually. Perhaps this is contributing to the lower amount of stock available as owners sense its a buyers market and prefer not to list.

Another issue worth exploring is at what point housing becomes affordable within a given metro area based on median household income. We cant just keep selling each other our homes in order to make a continual profit (again as we saw in the US) at some point the pool of potential buyers drys up and the market stalls.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2221 Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:51:28 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2221 “Wouldn’t it be a better thing if they fell to a better affordability level (eg) 3 times the average wage?”

Well that depends on whether society values the welfare of those that don’t own property more than those that do – as fundamentally it is just a transfer.

The reason I said it would be a good thing is because it would imply that the downward correction in the housing market would be slower and longer – rather than sudden and sharp. A slower correction would have less of an impact on consumer confidence – and as a result would not push the economy into a recession (by causing a sudden sharp reduction in aggregate demand – hard out Keynesian style).

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By: 9/11 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2220 Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:26:33 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2220 Don’t pay any attention to what they write about you.  Just measure it in inches.AndyWarholAndy Warhol

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By: 9/11 Commission http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2219 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:07:56 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2219 No where to go, and all day to get there.JohnA.SimoneSr.John A. Simone Sr., in regard to the elderly driving an automobile

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By: Reunion Resort http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2218 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:00:45 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2218 Where is the end? 1, 2, 3 years more? How is your area doing?

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By: Kissinger http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2217 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:06:32 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2217 The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning, but without understanding.LouisBrandeisLouis Brandeis

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By: nancyarora2020 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2216 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:22:41 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2216 Rising interest rates and a falling demand may dent the realty market in India. However, the long-term prospects for the sector continue to be good, feels the industry. There are around 21 India-dedicated real estate funds that are raising money in the international market. In the next nine months, nearly $7 billion will be entering the country through various India-dedicated funds. While long-term players are looking at India, short-term players based in the US and Europe, such as the hedge funds and private equity players, are more interested in their local markets.For more view- realtydigest.blogspot.com

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By: John http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2215 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:11:52 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2215

Good on the real estate blog for going out there and calling a turning point – if they are right then it will be a very good thing 🙂

Wouldn’t it be a better thing if they fell to a better affordability level (eg) 3 times the average wage?

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By: Dave http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/08/22/no-turning-point-in-housing/#comment-2214 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:25:32 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=956#comment-2214 Well you know what they say about picking bottoms. Inventory is only down 8% from peak and represents about 13 months supply at current sales rates. But I am all for talk of a recovery, as this will encourage the usual surge of new listings in spring, and unless these are cleared (unlikely IMHO) supply will continue to greatly exceed demand, and rents will continue to fall as refugees from negative equity continue to put their properties out to rent.

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