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Comments on: Prices slashed on war this century! http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:55:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2349 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:55:05 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2349 “The invasion of Iraq involves waging war against one country (or, more specifically, one dictator and the insurgency), WWs 1&2 involved much larger scale conflict, and Vietnam went on much longer, so – while this is an interesting graph – we have there’s a few apples in with your oranges…”

Hi Terence,

Good point.

This wasn’t actually my post, I’m sure that Rauparaha will have some beautiful reasoning to give you 😉

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By: terence http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2348 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:15:38 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2348 Hi there Matt,

The invasion of Iraq involves waging war against one country (or, more specifically, one dictator and the insurgency), WWs 1&2 involved much larger scale conflict, and Vietnam went on much longer, so – while this is an interesting graph – we have there’s a few apples in with your oranges…

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By: Islamic Jihad http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2344 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:49:18 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2344 … What good are dreams if they come true?FrederickExleyFrederick Exley, A Fan’s Notes

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By: 9/11 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2347 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:25:34 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2347 Most of the faces I see on the covers of American music magazines are just dreadful – people with nothing to offer the world at all.StevenPatrickMorrisseySteven Patrick Morrissey, British singer/songwriter, 2004

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By: 2008 Election http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2346 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:40:09 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2346 Everybody needs someone to know who they really are.J.T.LeRoyJ.T. LeRoy, American novelist, Sarah

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By: Barack Obama http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2345 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:31:58 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2345 Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.ThomasAlvaEdisonThomas Alva Edison

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2340 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:12:10 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2340 Karl Rove move over!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2339 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:20:18 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2339 “What about if you go to war to find one Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) but actually find none?”

For the “benefit” all that matters is your “ex-ante” expectations – if they really believed that there was some WMD, they are allowed to put it in the benefit category when choosing 😉

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2343 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:10:47 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2343 What about if you go to war to find one Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) but actually find none?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/03/prices-slashed-on-war-this-century/#comment-2341 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:54:46 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1042#comment-2341 “It is not relatively cheaper; I would say the inflation adjusted graph is the one to look at if you want to test whether war is cheaper today or not”

Indeed, this doesn’t actually tell us that the relative price is lower. However, I think the point rauparaha was getting at is that the war is now relatively more affordable 😉

“Given the way Saddam Hussein treated his own people and his country, perhaps we should be looking at the lives saved and environmental harm prevented by the Iraq war and setting that off against the cost.”

Indeed. Ultimately, in a world of politics it is about finding the appropriate counterfactual – when rauparaha was discussing these “costs” he was objectively splitting it away from the potential benefits caused by the given situation. Rather than making a statement on whether the war was right or wrong, he was trying to get a full idea of the cost involved.

One way of looking at this is as follows. If we knew 1 person would be killed directly as the result of the war, and that 1 person would be killed if we did not go to war (as a result of the administration) then 1 dead person is still a cost of going to war – however there is the benefit that we would have saved one person (from the counterfactual situation). These benefits are important when making a decision on whether to go to war – but they are not directly related to the calculation of the cost (which in the example is still 1 person).

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