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Comments on: The ETS: Another good Brian Fallow article http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:48:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Stephen http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2419 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:48:40 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2419 I meant by ‘adamant’ that he surely must have good reason to be so, but I get you. Cheers.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2422 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:28:11 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2422 “I can’t see Oram admitting that he is “presuming”. He seems a little more adamant than that!”

Being adamant about something doesn’t make it true 😛

Surely if we gave businesses information surrounding the costs and benefits of different investment they would make the best choices themselves. Rod Oram seems to believe that businesses don’t take up opportunities, and only will when the government pushes them too.

Now I agree that the investment firms are making may not be socially optimal – which is why a carbon price makes sense. But he (and frog) takes it a step further and says that businesses will be “better off” when they are pushed to adopt different technology. I just can’t see how increasing someones costs of doing something makes them better off :). These are the “opportunities” that Frog and Rod Oram believe exist – I am skeptical to say the least.

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By: StephenR http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2421 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:23:02 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2421 “Not necessarily – but presuming that there are a whole bunch of opportunities seems like a more reckless way of determining what is good policy.”

I can’t see Oram admitting that he is “presuming”. He seems a little more adamant than that!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2418 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:03:21 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2418 “I just don’t see how the ETS is actually going to improve the environment”

This isn’t the goal of the ETS though – the goal of the ETS is to pay for our carbon liability which we took on when we ratified Kyoto. If we didn’t pay through it through an ETS we would have to have higher income taxes to pay for it – most economists (outside of NZIER) agree that the ETS is the least cost way of paying off our liability, which is why we do it.

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By: Michael Kluge http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2420 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:28:46 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2420 I just don’t see how the ETS is actually going to improve the environment. I also think it goes back to ratifying the Kyoto as the first step – but if the goal of the Kyoto Protocol is to reduce emissions, I’m still having trouble connecting the dots to see how the ETS is going to achieve this. And then on the radio this morning I hear that Labour plan to offset the increase in electricity costs by giving power rebates etc. It all seems like one incredibly wasteful money-go-round to me.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2416 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:15:39 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2416 “You’re a ‘if there was an opportunity out there, it would already have been taken’ kind of guy?”

Not necessarily – but presuming that there are a whole bunch of opportunities seems like a more reckless way of determining what is good policy.

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By: Stephen http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2417 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:50:46 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2417 You’re a ‘if there was an opportunity out there, it would already have been taken’ kind of guy?

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By: ezineaerticles » Blog Archive » The ETS: Another good Brian Fallow article http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/09/10/the-ets-another-good-brian-fallow-article/#comment-2423 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:41:36 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1093#comment-2423 […] Original Matt Nolan […]

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