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Comments on: The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 05 Dec 2025 13:50:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: National’s tax cuts: Prior to the release « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2678 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:30:07 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2678 […] it is release.  Once the policy is out we will comment on whether National is threatening to be as fiscally irresponsible as Labour has been – by the sounds of things it appears that the demands of politics will lead them […]

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By: Congress Blog http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2677 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:46:31 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2677 Early morning cheerfulness can be extremely obnoxious.WilliamFeatherWilliam Feather

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2676 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:48:24 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2676 “But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.”

I don’t agree with this though. I think the average voter will see ‘negative’ press for the economic situation and blame the incumbent. Getting at what Matt was saying earlier re: spin, if National could successfully spin tax cuts as a good way of stimulating growth (and more particularly as a better way of stimulating growth than pumping it through the wasteful Govt sector) they could politically cash in on it.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2675 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:43:25 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2675 “Exactly.”

Glad to see we agree on that issue.

Fundamentally, Labour has spun the issue of “the goodness of public spending” to hell and back. I don’t understand why people go on about National being the party of spin – when Labour is also filled with a bunch of overt propaganda.

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2674 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:34:19 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2674 “I think National should try pushing the line that there are areas where spending can be cut without a large loss of service – put the associated loss in service to society in perspective. They have let Labour take control of the idea that “public spending is good”, they need to put it into perspective (or counter Labour’s spin with there own spin).”

Exactly.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2673 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:29:02 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2673 “But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.”

I agree – I think that is the way many voters will take it.

Fundamentally, voters understand the fact that more tax cuts will require spending cuts.

I think National should try pushing the line that there are areas where spending can be cut without a large loss of service – put the associated loss in service to society in perspective. They have let Labour take control of the idea that “public spending is good”, they need to put it into perspective (or counter Labour’s spin with there own spin).

If the public actually knows the full trade-off and what it means, then I would trust them to choose the right party.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2672 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:26 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2672 “I’m referring to the full PREFU, not your pre-EFU analysis.

The PREFU shows a disastrous result for the country.”

My analysis is post pre-EFU, although I could have written it beforehand and it wouldn’t have been any different.

This is because tax cuts are a structural issue – and as today’s books didn’t tell me that the economy is structurally weaker my belief that tax cuts are affordable is no different.

I would go out on a limb and say the raw numbers in today’s result is not disastrous for the country. It is the policy of spending exceeding income for the next decade is a cause for concern – as this implies that there is no medium term fiscal balance.

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By: Steve http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2668 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:25 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2668 it depends how this is taken; It could be taken as ‘labour has spent the bank too and now we are all screwed!’ OR it could be taken as ‘national promising tax cuts is irresponsible in the current financial situation, perhaps its better to stay with a party who has “successfully” run the economy so far.”

I say “successfully” because that also needs to be taken in context of the economic situation.

But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2667 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:19:38 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2667 Edit: I should have said “your pre-PREFU analysis”. 😛

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=601/#comment-2671 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:18:41 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1379#comment-2671 I’m referring to the full PREFU, not your pre-EFU analysis.

The PREFU shows a disastrous result for the country.

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