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	<title>Comments on: Pre-EFU 2008:  Can we have tax cuts?</title>
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		<title>By: National&#8217;s tax cuts: Prior to the release &#171; The visible hand in economics</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2678</link>
		<dc:creator>National&#8217;s tax cuts: Prior to the release &#171; The visible hand in economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it is release.  Once the policy is out we will comment on whether National is threatening to be as fiscally irresponsible as Labour has been - by the sounds of things it appears that the demands of politics will lead them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it is release.  Once the policy is out we will comment on whether National is threatening to be as fiscally irresponsible as Labour has been &#8211; by the sounds of things it appears that the demands of politics will lead them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Congress Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2677</link>
		<dc:creator>Congress Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Early morning cheerfulness can be extremely obnoxious.WilliamFeatherWilliam Feather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early morning cheerfulness can be extremely obnoxious.WilliamFeatherWilliam Feather</p>
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		<title>By: goonix</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2676</link>
		<dc:creator>goonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.”

I don&#039;t agree with this though. I think the average voter will see &#039;negative&#039; press for the economic situation and blame the incumbent. Getting at what Matt was saying earlier re: spin, if National could successfully spin tax cuts as a good way of stimulating growth (and more particularly as a better way of stimulating growth than pumping it through the wasteful Govt sector) they could politically cash in on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.”</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with this though. I think the average voter will see &#8216;negative&#8217; press for the economic situation and blame the incumbent. Getting at what Matt was saying earlier re: spin, if National could successfully spin tax cuts as a good way of stimulating growth (and more particularly as a better way of stimulating growth than pumping it through the wasteful Govt sector) they could politically cash in on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2675</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Exactly.&quot;

Glad to see we agree on that issue.

Fundamentally, Labour has spun the issue of &quot;the goodness of public spending&quot; to hell and back.  I don&#039;t understand why people go on about National being the party of spin - when Labour is also filled with a bunch of overt propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Exactly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad to see we agree on that issue.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, Labour has spun the issue of &#8220;the goodness of public spending&#8221; to hell and back.  I don&#8217;t understand why people go on about National being the party of spin &#8211; when Labour is also filled with a bunch of overt propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: goonix</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2674</link>
		<dc:creator>goonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think National should try pushing the line that there are areas where spending can be cut without a large loss of service - put the associated loss in service to society in perspective. They have let Labour take control of the idea that “public spending is good”, they need to put it into perspective (or counter Labour’s spin with there own spin).&quot;

Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think National should try pushing the line that there are areas where spending can be cut without a large loss of service &#8211; put the associated loss in service to society in perspective. They have let Labour take control of the idea that “public spending is good”, they need to put it into perspective (or counter Labour’s spin with there own spin).&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2673</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.&quot;

I agree - I think that is the way many voters will take it.

Fundamentally, voters understand the fact that more tax cuts will require spending cuts.

I think National should try pushing the line that there are areas where spending can be cut without a large loss of service - put the associated loss in service to society in perspective.  They have let Labour take control of the idea that &quot;public spending is good&quot;, they need to put it into perspective (or counter Labour&#039;s spin with there own spin).

If the public actually knows the full trade-off and what it means, then I would trust them to choose the right party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter. I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won’t like it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; I think that is the way many voters will take it.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, voters understand the fact that more tax cuts will require spending cuts.</p>
<p>I think National should try pushing the line that there are areas where spending can be cut without a large loss of service &#8211; put the associated loss in service to society in perspective.  They have let Labour take control of the idea that &#8220;public spending is good&#8221;, they need to put it into perspective (or counter Labour&#8217;s spin with there own spin).</p>
<p>If the public actually knows the full trade-off and what it means, then I would trust them to choose the right party.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2672</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m referring to the full PREFU, not your pre-EFU analysis.

The PREFU shows a disastrous result for the country.&quot;

My analysis is post pre-EFU, although I could have written it beforehand and it wouldn&#039;t have been any different.

This is because tax cuts are a structural issue - and as today&#039;s books didn&#039;t tell me that the economy is structurally weaker my belief that tax cuts are affordable is no different.

I would go out on a limb and say the raw numbers in today&#039;s result is not disastrous for the country.  It is the policy of spending exceeding income for the next decade is a cause for concern - as this implies that there is no medium term fiscal balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m referring to the full PREFU, not your pre-EFU analysis.</p>
<p>The PREFU shows a disastrous result for the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>My analysis is post pre-EFU, although I could have written it beforehand and it wouldn&#8217;t have been any different.</p>
<p>This is because tax cuts are a structural issue &#8211; and as today&#8217;s books didn&#8217;t tell me that the economy is structurally weaker my belief that tax cuts are affordable is no different.</p>
<p>I would go out on a limb and say the raw numbers in today&#8217;s result is not disastrous for the country.  It is the policy of spending exceeding income for the next decade is a cause for concern &#8211; as this implies that there is no medium term fiscal balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2668</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it depends how this is taken;  It could be taken as &#039;labour has spent the bank too and now we are all screwed!&#039; OR it could be taken as &#039;national promising tax cuts is irresponsible in the current financial situation, perhaps its better to stay with a party who has &quot;successfully&quot; run the economy so far.&quot;

I say &quot;successfully&quot; because that also needs to be taken in context of the economic situation.

But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter.  I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won&#039;t like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it depends how this is taken;  It could be taken as &#8216;labour has spent the bank too and now we are all screwed!&#8217; OR it could be taken as &#8216;national promising tax cuts is irresponsible in the current financial situation, perhaps its better to stay with a party who has &#8220;successfully&#8221; run the economy so far.&#8221;</p>
<p>I say &#8220;successfully&#8221; because that also needs to be taken in context of the economic situation.</p>
<p>But think about it from the point of view of an ordinary, non economist, new zealand voter.  I think this could actually make things difficult for National, who will likely be wanting to cut back spending more than Labour, and people won&#8217;t like it.</p>
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		<title>By: goonix</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2667</link>
		<dc:creator>goonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit: I should have said &quot;your pre-PREFU analysis&quot;. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit: I should have said &#8220;your pre-PREFU analysis&#8221;. <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: goonix</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/06/prefu-2008-can-we-have-tax-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-2671</link>
		<dc:creator>goonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m referring to the full PREFU, not your pre-EFU analysis.

The PREFU shows a disastrous result for the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m referring to the full PREFU, not your pre-EFU analysis.</p>
<p>The PREFU shows a disastrous result for the country.</p>
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