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Comments on: Tax credit for R&D: What’s the point? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/13/tax-credit-for-rd-whats-the-point/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:31:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: En Avant » Blog Archive » Tax credits, tax holidays, development subsidies? Daft ideas. http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/13/tax-credit-for-rd-whats-the-point/#comment-2760 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:31:10 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1489#comment-2760 […] Party has proposed scrapping R&D tax credits, to help pay for tax cuts? Good. Prompted by The Visible Hand, here’s my two bob’s […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/13/tax-credit-for-rd-whats-the-point/#comment-2759 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:01:48 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1489#comment-2759 “There must be a brighter way of incentivisation”

Enforcing property rights and providing information – it is vanilla stuff, but its the best way to run the government.

“one of the issues about research and development is the scale of enterprise”

The scale of enterprise is something that is internal to the functioning of the economy. Our scale is limited as our population is small – larger population would lead to more capital investment which would increase scale. There is not much we can do about that – trying to push businesses to invest in increasing scale would be counter-productive if we don’t have the capacity in the first place.

“If govts insist on implementing these stupid ideas, I’ll continue to maximise any benefit for my businesses from them. But, being an altruistic and high-minded sort, I much prefer the simpler option: save the deadweight agency costs, save the cost of grants and tax credits, and cut the corporate tax rate accordingly. That will do far more than these tinkering gimmicks.”

Very true!

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By: Jim Donovan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/13/tax-credit-for-rd-whats-the-point/#comment-2758 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:37:34 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1489#comment-2758 Well said, Matt. Despite my tech industry background, I’ve always disliked the R&D credit idea. Likewise R&D grants (from FORST, etc). They are like many other “tax and give back schemes”: not only do they not incentivise (those who don’t already do real R&D aren’t likely to be start or be much good at it, and those who already do real R&D will do so regardless), but also they add bureaucracy and agency costs. The tax credit and the grants have to be administered and processed by both companies and govt.

The tax holiday to attract companies to transfer here (proposed by Messrs. Skilling and Weldon) is even more dubious. A 2 year tax holiday just isn’t enough to bring a business of scale to NZ (I can’t think of anything of that nature that would work), So what about tax holidays for those who are planning to leave, to encourage them to stay? Do we all threaten to leave, and everyone gets a tax holiday?

If govts insist on implementing these stupid ideas, I’ll continue to maximise any benefit for my businesses from them. But, being an altruistic and high-minded sort, I much prefer the simpler option: save the deadweight agency costs, save the cost of grants and tax credits, and cut the corporate tax rate accordingly. That will do far more than these tinkering gimmicks.

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By: ian reid http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/13/tax-credit-for-rd-whats-the-point/#comment-2757 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:15:05 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1489#comment-2757 one of the issues about research and development is the scale of enterprise. one issue in new zealand is that firms are often too small to capitalise on innovation, which increases the extent to which r&d is externalised – with greater chance of flow own. This type of incentive changes the risk profile and also creates infrastructure and culture of r&d.

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By: Will de Cleene http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/13/tax-credit-for-rd-whats-the-point/#comment-2756 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:27:34 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1489#comment-2756 Agreed. Considering Labour’s monged drafting of other legislation, you’d have businesses encouraged to paint stripes on white elephants and pass them off as zebra, just for the tax credit. Another wishful thought poorly executed. There must be a brighter way of incentivisation.

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