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Comments on: The Greens on economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:20:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-11090 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:20:42 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-11090 Hi again jeepndesert,

But you said that everyone should have equal access to land and resources – this is an extreme point of view. At that level it isn’t even a matter of social justice anymore, it becomes an issue of enforced “equality”.

If you read around this blog you would see that we, and most other economists, believe that given current abundance we should work for a “minimum living standard” for people. There is a whole spectrum of social justice points of view between anarchy and the enforced equality that I felt you were saying would be the way to go.

Not agreeing with what you have put forward doesn’t make me a republican – New Zealander’s are a lot more liberal than any of the US political parties (in the UK definition of the word). Furthermore, you call my world view simple – but I can’t imagine a simpler world view than one that states everyone should have an equal amount of land and resources irrespective of effort and desire.

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By: jeepndesert http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-11080 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:58:47 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-11080 is still be used — is still being used

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By: jeepndesert http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-11078 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:57:37 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-11078 in addition, the free market is still be used a convenience to give proper valuation of such resources so no central state is needed to determine the valuation. the tax system should be tweaked from time to time to make sure it is adequately redistributing enough wealth equally (and such a system would be truely equal) to make sure everyone has their minimum fair share and claim to the earth to survive.

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By: jeepndesert http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-11076 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:52:33 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-11076 furthermore, even libertarian socialism is justified. excessive capitalization is as dangerous as any government, especially since it allows them to corrupt the latter.

moving away from the income tax and towards a LVT and sales tax is a convenience to move the nation in the right direction, bringing agrarian justice for all.

take a 3rd world country with no economy. the people will be used as nike slave labor until they get some agrarian justice.

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By: jeepndesert http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-11075 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:49:24 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-11075 matt nolan, huh? lay off the right libertarian crack long enough to realize the free market is merely a convenience in terms of distribution of natural resources and land. the utilitarian georgist view merely tries to bring some thomas paine agrarian justice to an imperfect, complex word. free market principles fail when it comes to the actual taking of land and natural resources. you own your labor. you don’t own the land. the world isn’t as simple as your former republicans in the libertarian party think it is.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-11071 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:05:23 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-11071 “everyone should have equal access to land and natural resources”

Hmmm there are a couple of issues here:

1) people all value land and natural resources differently
2) people who want to invest to create value need would be restricted in a such a sense.

Ultimately, I understand the desire for equality of opportunity – however, at that level there is a large trade-off between strict opportunity and wealth creation methinks.

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By: jeepndesert http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-10826 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:20:11 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-10826 personally, i prefer land value taxes, natural resource taxes, and general sales tax. to make it progressive and allow for redistribution of land/natural resource wealth, i prefer a monthly rebate high enough for people to afford rent and basic utilities without having to work for someone else. everyone should have equal access to land and natural resources.

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By: Tobin taxes? « The visible hand in economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-3012 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:02:18 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-3012 […] 21 10 2008 So the Green’s want a Tobin tax do they (ht Frog Blog and Stephen). Ok, so I’m hoping they aren’t justifying it on externality grounds – this leaves us […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-3011 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:20:38 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-3011 “And now they’re discussing the Tobin Tax again”

Hmmm. The Greens love international issues. I actually like the idea of a focus on international issues, but I don’t think it is at all in our countries best interest to look a things that way 😛

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By: Stephen http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/19/the-greens-on-economics/#comment-3010 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:01:10 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1626#comment-3010 Indeed.

And now they’re discussing the Tobin Tax again…to discourage currency speculation and kinda-sorta as a means of increasing aid budgets.

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