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Comments on: Arnold Kling rips into economists http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:35:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Small Neoclassic Bench | Shower Curtains http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-11747 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:35:09 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-11747 […] Arnold Kling rips into economists | TVHE […]

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By: DR. JEFFREY M DOYLE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3116 Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:13:12 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3116 The Effectiveness of “Traditional” Neoclassical Economics in Solving current problems

My name is Jeffrey M Doyle. I ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, ANN ARBOR AND MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY, RECEIVING MY Ph.D. IN 1977.

FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS MY [AND OTHERS] IDEAS WERE DISMISSED AS UNPROVEN AND NOT RELEVANT. TODAY MOST
OF WHAT I PROPOSED IN A 1977 PH.D. DISSERTATION HAS NOT ONLY GAINED ACCEPTANCE BUT IS BEING ACTIVELY
PROMOTED AND PUT INTO PRACTICE. BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.

IN TERMS OF OUR ECONOMY, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE WORST SHAPE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION OF 1929. HARD
CORE, DEEPLY ENTRENCHED ADVOCATES OF NARROWLY DEFINED ECONOMICS WILL STAUNCHLY DEFEND THEIR
ICONIC VIEWS-EVEN IN THE FACE OF ONE DISMAL FAILURE AFTER ANOTHER. GALILEO’S REWARD FOR PROVING THAT
THE EARTH ORBITED THE SUN INSTEAD OF THE OPPOSITE SCENARIO ESPOUSED BY THE VATICAN, LED TO A LIFETIME OF
HOUSE ARREST.

Hence, while mainstream economics may be defined in terms of the “rationality-individualism-equilibrium” nexus, heterodox economics may be
defined in terms of a “institutions-history-social structure” nexus. Note that there is a different emphasis in distinguishing mainstream and
heterodox economics in this way than is involved in distinguishing them as closed-system and an open-system approaches respectively. It is
often claimed that neoclassical theory is appropriate as a tool only under certain limited conditions, where there is “perfect” or “near-perfect”
competition. While there is a large body of neoclassical analysis of imperfect competition, this terminology may be seen as incorporating the
assumption that non-competitive markets represent minor deviations from an ideal or perfect norm

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3115 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:39:36 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3115 You did International agnitio – you must have seen the scope 😉

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3114 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:38:30 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3114 there is stochastic calculus porn outside of financial economics? My interest in macro has been tweaked:)

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3113 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:50:07 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3113 “You read me a little too literally there, Matt.”

Ahh I see, you aren’t criticising the actual method of dynamic optimisation – just the way mainstream economists currently do it (insofar as the assumptions they make surrounding what is optimised and knowledge). Is that it?

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3112 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:37:12 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3112 The PD argument comes from Carilli and Dempster. I didn’t buy the story when I first saw the paper presented at GMU, but I’m happy to give it another read.

Investors don’t need to know precisely the right natural rate of interest; they just have to know that the Fed is inflating. And that’s not hard to figure out from monetary aggregates. Any reason they wouldn’t get it right on average?

The Callahan argument sounds like it reduces to the Carilli and Dempster argument, but I’ll have to give it a look.

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By: Peter Cresswell http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3111 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:04:41 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3111 I’d be more a fan of the Austrian story if I could be convinced that it didn’t rely on businessmen being persistently stupid in misperceiving a monetary inflation as a real change in time preference.

But it doesn’t.

There’s three arguments to make here.

One is this: it’s more that each entrepreneur are in a sort of “prisoner’s dilemma” — even if they see the bubble, there’s still only one way they can respond to it. Murphy talks about that briefly in this audio interview, and Brian Stanly argues the point here</a.

There’s another way to respond: One way of thinking about it is to ask how, in the present situation, our entrepeneurs would know what the ‘natural rate’ of interest would be? What would be the ‘natural rate’ of time preference? In the absence of the central bank, how would one know?

What, for example, is the ‘natural rate’ of interest now?

And a third, related point, is Gene Callahan’s point that in a time of easy credit creation, even the rational entrepreneur has no choice about paying for the resources whose prices have been bid up in the bubble – if the owner of Sensible Software wants to stay in busines then, astute though he might be about what the central bank is doing, he has no choice but to pay the prices for his resources that have been bid up by Dotty Dotcom. Read his argument here: ‘But What About Expectations’ in the article ‘Times are Hard: On the Causes of the Business Cycle.’

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3110 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:29:05 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3110 You read me a little too literally there, Matt.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3109 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:37:42 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3109 “I’m totally in favour of microfoundations; I’m just unconvinced that Euler equations are the best way of going about it.”

Excuse my ignorance (once again) – but what’s wrong with Euler equations. I realise that sometimes the stability conditions can be a bit restrictive, but apart from that I’ve always thought they were quite elegant.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/23/arnold-kling-rips-into-economists/#comment-3108 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:33:12 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1685#comment-3108 I’m totally in favour of microfoundations; I’m just unconvinced that Euler equations are the best way of going about it.

I need to get a copy of Cowen’s macro textbook sometime.
If you haven’t read it, Larry White’s Theory of Monetary Institutions is also very good.

I’d be more a fan of the Austrian story if I could be convinced that it didn’t rely on businessmen being persistently stupid in misperceiving a monetary inflation as a real change in time preference. I don’t mind political models based on voters being persistently stupid (see Caplan) as the costs of stupidity there are externalized. I don’t like models of high consequence individual behaviour based on stupidity.

See Caplan, and follow his link to Cowen.

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