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Comments on: A run on finance companies – but not in the direction you’d expect http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/a-run-on-finance-companies-but-not-in-the-direction-youd-expect/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:50:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/a-run-on-finance-companies-but-not-in-the-direction-youd-expect/#comment-3130 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:50:26 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1718#comment-3130 “There is just no way the rules will stop finance company shareholders stripping subsidised money out of the companies no matter how tight the rules are”

In that case there is either an agency problem in the firm, or the the firm itself is only a short-run entity. In either case it doesn’t really matter – unless the government commits itself to always saving finance companies.

If insurance was offered at the market rate and finance companies pick it up then there is no issue – as they would have to pay for the riskiness associated with there market structure.

The issue that we might have is that lenders don’t realise the risk associated with the finance company – in this case we need better information, which is a role of government, and which is something the Bank is working on.

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By: John http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/a-run-on-finance-companies-but-not-in-the-direction-youd-expect/#comment-3129 Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:33:30 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1718#comment-3129 “We are seeing developers walk away from their failed projects and buying it back from the bank at 30 cents. Now we are gonna see finance companies reflate their businesses courtesy of the taxpayer – its a rort”

Where’s the news media?

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By: gomango http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/a-run-on-finance-companies-but-not-in-the-direction-youd-expect/#comment-3128 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:51:39 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1718#comment-3128 Property mezz loans were 16 to 25% 18 months ago by the time you accounted for all the charges, PIK etc. Even with a 300 bp insurance cost there is still a significant margin if finance coys go crazy and pay 10 or 11% on deposits. Which they won’t do because they’ll argue the guarantee makes them as a good as bank, they’ll advertise at 8.5% and the grey rinsers will go mad for it.

I just dont see why treasury/rbnz had to allow finance companies potentially in. All of them except the 3 that would survive anyway have already gone and artificially raising them from the dead is poor use of resources and a bad signalling mechanism. Their “assets” are generally worth zero by the time the the banks get back their first mortgage so essentially the insurance scheme is just allowing them to start a new business using exactly the same failed business model.

We are seeing developers walk away from their failed projects and buying it back from the bank at 30 cents. Now we are gonna see finance companies reflate their businesses courtesy of the taxpayer – its a rort. There is just no way the rules will stop finance company shareholders stripping subsidised money out of the companies no matter how tight the rules are. Good time to be a finance partner at rmv.

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By: Finance - A run on finance companies - but not in the direction you’d expect http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/a-run-on-finance-companies-but-not-in-the-direction-youd-expect/#comment-3127 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:42:35 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1718#comment-3127 […] View original post here: A run on finance companies – but not in the direction you’d expect […]

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