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Comments on: Random statement of the day http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:41:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: epic wealth system http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/#comment-3126 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:41:37 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1705#comment-3126 epic wealth system…

Coffee IV, Stat!…

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/#comment-3125 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:13:07 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1705#comment-3125 “Yes – the impact on the real economy will be clearer but will the extent of the informational problems be clearer?”

It involves decomposing between what would have happened if it was solely a risk issue and what did happen. In the New Zealand context this should be a touch easier – given that we know that the long-run payoff of building activity is unchanged. As a result, any dip in building below, say 2006 levels would tell me that there was credit rationing in the building industry.

Looking at the more general firm level is difficult – as we can’t clearly separate what is going on in the real economy. Furthermore, if we try to look at the flow of credit we get stuck between the slowdown that should be the result of weakening fundamentals and a reduction in activity because of a lack of ability to source credit.

I think something else which we can look at, and which they will probably look at in the US, is the distribution of where credit is going. It is all well and good to find that aggregate business lending is unchanged – but a sudden shift in that lending without a sudden, fundamental shift, in the marginal product of capital in the associated industries would imply that something is amiss.

“I think at the individual mortgage level, the information is pretty much all there – the one thing that was wrong (in the US) was the risk of house prices dropping and thus the risk of default”

Agents misappropriated the risk for some reason – no doubt there were information asymmetries and the agents that were meant to solve them didn’t as the result of some agency problem. We did not have those same issues in New Zealand

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/#comment-3124 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:04:53 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1705#comment-3124 Yes – the impact on the real economy will be clearer but will the extent of the informational problems be clearer?

The informational problems were/are concentrated within the financial sector. I think at the individual mortgage level, the information is pretty much all there – the one thing that was wrong (in the US) was the risk of house prices dropping and thus the risk of default.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/#comment-3123 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:51:47 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1705#comment-3123 “I’ld be interested in you exapnding on the last couple of sentences of your post. What will the data in 6 months’ time tell us in regard to what should have been done? If we are talking about the current type of data collected, then I suspect precious little. The exposures may well be off balance sheet and therefore less easy to collect.”

My feeling is that in six months time we will have a better handle on how much “good” lending was not approved through the shift in real economy variables – such as non-residential investment and residential investment. At least in New Zealand.

New Zealand hasn’t built up an oversupply of “building” in the same way as other countries – so any deviation from current levels is concerning. If we see the net capital declines in residential building (which is on the cards) then we have definitely seen credit rationing!

For New Zealand I think private investment will provide a pretty transparent signal – but we shall see.

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/#comment-3122 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:20:45 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1705#comment-3122 Thought provoking.

From a bank’s perspective, the concern is that you do not know how exposed your counterparties are to the “toxic assets”. There is the direct element (“how much MBS, CDS, CDO is the counterparty a transactional party to”) and an indirect element (“does your counterparty have exposures to other institutes that are heavily exposed”).

The asymmetry in information (you do not know what your counterparty knows) means that assessing the actual risk (and hence the appropriate risk premium) is difficult. Under such a situation everyone plays it cautious and hoards cash.

I’ld be interested in you exapnding on the last couple of sentences of your post. What will the data in 6 months’ time tell us in regard to what should have been done? If we are talking about the current type of data collected, then I suspect precious little. The exposures may well be off balance sheet and therefore less easy to collect.

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By: Random statement of the day http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/10/24/random-statement-of-the-day/#comment-3121 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:03:15 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1705#comment-3121 […] Random statement of the day The “evidence” the paper shows to illustrate no credit rationing is decidedly useful – as any decline in non-financial credit will occur with a lag. The concern in a country like New Zealand is that credit will tighten at the start of … […]

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