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Comments on: Frog’s (next) attack on “economics” http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:05:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Great work, thanks. http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3523 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:05:35 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3523 Top work

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3522 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:52:54 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3522 This isn’t really a Green party post – it is a Frog post. Frog is a scientist and supporter of the Green party – and he thinks we are “quasi-scientific”.

I am not really sure what he means by that – but I have tried to describe what I think is the methodological hard core of economics (very little – although a useful little) and state that the problem Frog has surrounds subjective value-judgments made by economists. My best answer to that is simply: At least using a clear economic method makes our value judgments transparent – so that they can be criticised easily.

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3521 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:05 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3521 also, weren’t we (just for fun) going to title any posts about the greens and economics as “Greens Watch:[insert topic here]” 😀

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3520 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:10:32 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3520 “People who don’t understand economics often get confused between economics being stupid and stupid economists:) ”

Agnitio that was brilliant 🙂

Kimble’s statement was also awesome 😉

“Rather than blame economic methodology for the current state of the world economy, I think that it is pretty clear that what we are seeing is the result of a series of pretty bad failures of governments.”

No doubt – however, the economics discipline did not foreesee the crisis. If we believe that such prediction is the role of economics (as economists have sold themselves to be on many occasions) then in some sense it does constitute a failing of the practice of economics.

“There is another basic rule of economics that they forgot: “incentives matter”.”

I believe that is capture by the existence of preferences and the fact that behaviour occurs at the margin 🙂

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3519 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:06:55 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3519 “They also cannot distinguish economists from hedge fund managers, investment bankers, and Gordon Gecko himself.”

LOL!

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By: George Bolwing http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3518 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:52:13 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3518 Rather than blame economic methodology for the current state of the world economy, I think that it is pretty clear that what we are seeing is the result of a series of pretty bad failures of governments.

As Eamonn Butler of the Adam Smith Institute put it:

“This crisis was not caused by capitalism being fatally flawed. It was caused by politicians forcing banks to give out bad loans, monetary authorities flooding the West with cheap credit and regulators being asleep at the wheel.

“When the government is persuading the casino to hand out free chips and the regulators are standing drinks at the bar, you shouldn’t be surprised if the customers place a few risky bets.

“It’s the management and not the system that deserves our scorn for breaking the basic rules of economics: There is no such thing as a free lunch.”

There is another basic rule of economics that they forgot: “incentives matter”.

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3517 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:14:41 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3517 They also cannot distinguish economists from hedge fund managers, investment bankers, and Gordon Gecko himself.

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3516 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:28:22 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3516 People who don’t understand economics often get confused between economics being stupid and stupid economists:)

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/11/20/frog-next-attack-on-economics/#comment-3515 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:10:03 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=1993#comment-3515 Matt, I notice you have treated “realism” as a goal of policy – is that really consistent with Friedman’s call to arms, that all that matters is predictive accuracy?

Note I am asking myself this question – as it needs an answer

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