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Comments on: Sharing the school uniform surplus http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3971 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:20:50 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3971 lol Matt

The way the auction is setup is key, you only need to look at the spectrum auctions in the EU to see that some have performed very well (the UK from memory) while some have peformed very poorly. I would suggest that the evidence shows that a properly set up auction will generally be efficient (most efficient providers selected) and result in low supernormal profits for the winner.

There have been some spectacualr failures in sepctrum auctions, but when you look at how they were set up it is no surprise. My personal favorite was one where there were 4 liceneses and 4 bidders. Really not surprising that the auction wasn’t competitive…

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3970 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:08:07 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3970 “could provide some observational evidence”

Evidence? Huh? 😉

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3969 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:03:51 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3969 Just do a dirty old second price sealed bid auction:)

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3972 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:02:46 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3972 I totally agree, Matt. I’m aware of the theoretical predictions and the difference that those small assumptions about the level of competitiveness for the market make. That’s why I was hoping that agnitio, as an industrial economist, could provide some observational evidence that the tender process usually results in no supernormal profits 🙂

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3974 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:52 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3974 “So is it usual for the successful firm not to earn supernormal profits following a tender process?”

It is effective competition isn’t it – so in the absense of some type of collusion or cost differences for the firms I don’t see any reason for supernormal profits.

If the cost structures are different then we would still need to look at the combination of “fees” and “prices charged” in order to work out which firm has the competitive advantage. In such a case the method you are suggesting could, at best, get us to the same outcome as normal tendering methinks.

To be clear, In the case of a competitive tender, the firm with a cost advantage will slightly undercut other firms – so they will have supernormal profits but they will be restricted by effective competition. In the scenario you have suggested the tender will lead to the same result, just with transfers from parents to the school, from the school to the firm, and then from the firm to the parents.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3973 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:40:35 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3973 So is it usual for the successful firm not to earn supernormal profits following a tender process?

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3975 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:34:25 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3975 BTW this is what’s refered to as “competition for the market” rather than “competition in the market”.

The reason the NZCC is suggesting they run tenders for the exlusive contract is to help ensure that most of the surplus goes to the schools and that the most effcient producer is chosen. In the absence of a tender the firm with the exclusive contract would probably earn super normal profits.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3976 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:19:53 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3976 Well, yes, it will be if the firms get no surplus either way because they bid up the price. I don’t know anything about how schools negotiate these contracts beyond what’s in the article, so I don’t know whether firms do earn supernormal profits. I wouldn’t be confident guessing either way, but perhaps you have some data or specific knowledge???

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3977 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:15:43 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3977 “Hmmm, so you’re saying that the manufacturer will charge a monopoly price but then pay their entire surplus to the school? I wonder if this is actually the case. I would have thought that manufacturers would be making some supernormal profits and paying a portion of it to the school. In that case the parents could save money by paying that portion to the school and paying less for uniforms.”

But if there is a competitive tender for the manufacturing contract, won’t the competing firms talk up the fee they pay to the school until they reach their reservation level – normal profits.

The policy you are suggesting simply offers the contract to the manufacturer that offers lower prices and a lower fee, but then the parents pay the difference in the fee – which because of competition will be the same as the difference in prices!

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/09/sharing-the-school-uniform-surplus/#comment-3978 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:57:06 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2331#comment-3978 Hmmm, so you’re saying that the manufacturer will charge a monopoly price but then pay their entire surplus to the school? I wonder if this is actually the case. I would have thought that manufacturers would be making some supernormal profits and paying a portion of it to the school. In that case the parents could save money by paying that portion to the school and paying less for uniforms.

I don’t know about a target level. My assumption was that more funding is better for schools. I guess this just shows how sensitive policies are to the assumptions we make. is it really true that clothing manufacturing is so competitive that they wouldn’t be making supernormal profits on $1000 school uniforms?!

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