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Comments on: Defending the Bank’s attack on “prices” http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:36:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4200 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:36:37 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4200 Hi Andrew,

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. At the MPS they sounded like they were solely after a slump in headline inflation which they felt would then lead to a reversal of some of the nasty inflation expectations numbers we’ve seen.

Personally, I’m not so sure if a fall in fuel prices is enough to change the inherent inflation premium households will ask for, and firms are willing to pay for, during the wage bargaining. I would ask the question “is the recession that the RBNZ is forecasting enough to drive down these implicit inflation expectations” – given their forecasts, I just don’t see it.

Of course, it is possible that the outlook for domestic economic activity is actually worse then they are forecasting …

“This doesn’t sound like an optimal way to conduct monetary policy: pray/ask firms to not pass on cost increases.”

Indeed – my “attempt” to defend the statement above was the best I could do, and it really didn’t convince me 🙂

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By: Andrew Coleman http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4196 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:01:27 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4196 I am curious to know what new information inspired this speech. The bank has long had a view that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomena, and that relative prices are ordinarily a second order issue when it comes to the inflation rate. Indeed, research published in the Bulltin in 2007 showed that relative price movements in Australia and New Zealand were almost the same; sectors such as electricity which had higher than average price increases in NZ has higher than average price increases in Australia, and sectors (such as imported electronic goods) that had lower than average price increases in New Zealand had lower than average price increases in Australia. While electricity has been going up faster in NZ than Australia, it proved that many of the goods that increased fastest in NZ compared to Australia were in fact items that fell in both countries, but fell much more rapidly in Australia than NZ: durable good retail items. I don’t recall he picked out these sectors for chastisement. More generally, this research suggested (although did not prove) that common cost shocks are behind relative price movements in differnet countries, and that the choice of the inflation rate comes down to the central bank. It is not that non-tradeable price increases should have been ten percent less over the last five years than they were, while tradeable price increases were ok; it is that both should have been ten percent less, so that prices maintain their international relativities, but we have a more acceptable (ie low) inflation rate.

What i suspect is happening is that the Bank is running scared on inflation . Relative price movements become important precisely when a blip in some relative prices (eg oil or food) cause a temporary blip in the inflation rate, and then this blip is passed on and incorporated into wages, which then get passed on in turn as further price changes. The Bank’s disinflation in the early 1990s and 1999 relied precisely on this principle; temporary price cuts in the recession led to lower headline inflation rates, and then lower wage rounds etc. Given the very high headline rate, the bank must be hoping for the headline rate to come down fast in the next six months in order to lead to low wage increases. They have a very short opportunity for this mechanism to work because costs have been increasing and will increase (because of the depreciation of the dollar) and will eventually be passed on; so unless the headline figure is very low very soon, they might find that the recession hasn’t killed inflation. Hence the encouragement of high profile sectors to hang off on increasing prices.

This doesn’t sound like an optimal way to conduct monetary policy: pray/ask firms to not pass on cost increases.

Disclaimer: I wrote the referred to Bulletin article.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4040 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:53:18 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4040 “If just further fuels my suspicion that Bollard sees his role as to keep interest rates as low as possible within the constraint of the inflation target”

Indeed, I suspect that the Bank is giving people that feeling – how can inflation expectations fall below 3% if the Bank isn’t interested in getting medium term inflation down in the first place 😛

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4037 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:23:09 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4037 What bugs me the most about this speech is the motivation he’s offering – to paraphrase, “we need to see rates/ fuel/ power prices come down so that inflation will fall… then we can top it up again with rate cuts”. These price rises are bad not because they increase the cost of living, but because they prevent Bollard from looking like the hero.

If just further fuels my suspicion that Bollard sees his role as to keep interest rates as low as possible within the constraint of the inflation target – meaning that 3% average inflation is not the maximum but the minimum, as there’s no incentive or pressure to aim for anything lower.

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By: Stocks and Bonds » Blog Archive » Defending the Bank ’S Attack on “Prices” « the Visible Hand in … http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4039 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:12:34 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4039 […] Yesterday I said that I thought the Bank ’s speech on bringing down the price level was ridiculous. Not only is asking for a decline in prices a strange thing for a central bank to do, the mentioning of “oil companies” was slightly off …[Continue Reading] […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4038 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:03:22 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4038 Insider,

Spot on – energy policy is not a government strong point 🙂

The best thing the government can do is reduce the uncertainty surrounding the investment – rather then prattling on with popularist jargon.

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By: insider http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4036 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:45:30 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4036 I’d also add more, that if we are to get new electricity generation to meet increased demand, then that to me implies prices have to rise to provide the return needed to justify building more expensive plant. This is based on the assumption that generators sequence their building from the cheapest or best value plant to the most expensive. Surely Bollard understands this?

This is why I don’t understnad successive energy ministers promising to build more AND cheaper power. Why would you overbuild firstly, and secondly why would you collapse prices? They set silly expectations then rant when they are not delivered and undermine confidence in markets overall as a result. Personally I blame Max Bradford 🙂

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4035 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:35:52 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4035 “I should add that I’m hearing stories the govt is going to lean on SOEs to be more efficient and generate more cash. What does that say for where prices might go?”

Be more efficient – that should see “shadow” prices for whatever the hell the SOE produces fall.

I don’t know about the government sector – it is definitely a strange one

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4034 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:34:22 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4034 “Seems to me Roger Kerr the analyst not BRT man was close to it when he said it was a sign that the methods of managing inflation the RB had were not working”

I would say that they didn’t fully apply their method for controlling inflation when it was required – in 2003. If they had we wouldn’t be worrying about it now.

They’ve realised this now, but the global financial crisis is preventing them from doing anything to try and make up for it – in that sense the speech could be construed as desperate.

However, I don’t even think the speech was necessary – it just hurts the Bank’s credibility, as it makes it look like they depend on firms to control inflation, rather than being the strong body that can anchor expectations which they should appear to be

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By: insider http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/11/defending-the-banks-attack-on-prices/#comment-4033 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:33:15 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2361#comment-4033 I should add that I’m hearing stories the govt is going to lean on SOEs to be more efficient and generate more cash. What does that say for where prices might go?

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