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Comments on: Cheers! We’re (possibly) efficiently taxing ourselves – Alcohol in NZ http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:52:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/#comment-4195 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:52:19 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2392#comment-4195 Actually, there’s good evidence for positive effects of alcohol. Ed Stringham at San Jose State in the US has found that drinkers earn more money than non-drinkers. If the anti-alcohol lobby insists on continually including private costs as social costs, then we surely ought to include consumer surplus from drinking AND all of the positive wage effects. Short version of Stringham’s argument: drinkers have better social networks.

]]> By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/#comment-4191 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:19:55 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2392#comment-4191 “What about positive externalities? It’s been my experience that drinking with others is more pleasant than drinking alone”

Hah, soon that will be banned too!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4792742a6479.html

]]> By: CPW http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/#comment-4190 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:15:27 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2392#comment-4190 What about positive externalities? It’s been my experience that drinking with others is more pleasant than drinking alone 😛

]]> By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/#comment-4184 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:15:23 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2392#comment-4184 It would be interesting to work out the extent to which negative externalities are optimally internalized via tax that correlates with usage rather than directly with production of negative externalities as compared with increased fines for actual generation of said externalities. The latter brings with it enforcement costs but is much better targeted. In other words, does it make more sense to increase excise taxes or to bring in a $2000 fine for a “drunk and disorderly” misdemeanor.

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/#comment-4179 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:15:54 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2392#comment-4179 Hey goonix, will attempt to fix this – send me an email with the email address you need to use and I’ll sort it

]]> By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2008/12/14/cheers-were-possibly-efficiently-taxing-ourselves-alcohol-in-nz/#comment-4176 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:50:23 +0000 http://tvhe.wordpress.com/?p=2392#comment-4176 It is me here but for some reason I can’t log in.

I noted that the front page of the DomPost Weekend did contain a few more stats that were not presented on the linked website article, including the revenue gained from alcohol taxes. From memory it was around $750m per year.

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