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Comments on: A critique of the Austrian and Chicago schools? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:12:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/#comment-8062 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:12:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2546#comment-8062 “you’re right then”

Although it is incredibly likely that I could be mis-interpreting the article – I’m willing to accept that is a possibility 🙂

“the only critique I have of chicago is the failure to accept that a market failure has occurred. Similarly though, neo-classical may be too quick to assume the result is because of market failure, rather than something else as proposed by chicago economists.”

I completely agree. Ultimately, each specific school invokes different value judgments which may or may not be valid in different surroundings. The good thing about the general economic framework is that it provides a setup that makes these judgments transparent.

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By: steve http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/#comment-8061 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:07:13 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2546#comment-8061 you’re right then, it is critiquing both chicago and neo-classical. if it were a little more objective it would critique the differences and therefore even if the author is against both, the reader can see why the author prefers neo-classical over chicago.

the only critique I have of chicago is the failure to accept that a market failure has occurred. Similarly though, neo-classical may be too quick to assume the result is because of market failure, rather than something else as proposed by chicago economists.

A good post though, thank you for clarifying the argument.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/#comment-8054 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:45:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2546#comment-8054 “Other than that they are the same, but Chicago in practice denies taht market failures occur”

Indeed, the Chicago school often explicitly places a low weight on the existence of a market failure – and I agree that is a failure on their part (at least given my own value judgements 😉 )

But as I said “I feel that the piece mixes up its attack on the conclusions of the Austrian and Chicago school with the general neo-classical method – which is, in itself, closer to value free and objective”

The attack on Chicago seemed to branch out and attack the tautological nature of building a framework, which is a fundamental part of neo-classical economics. I felt that in this sense the attack became misguided.

I am all for attacking the value judgments made by other economists – and I can understand the irritation associated with the fact that many economists, of any creed, will hide value judgments. But by painting the attack so broadly (instead of focusing on the value judgments where the Chicago school deviates from more general economic thought) the piece appeared to attack the entire method – something I wanted to clear up here.

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By: steve http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/#comment-8052 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:37:30 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2546#comment-8052 you say point 6 excludes true market failures.

But isn’t that the whole point of the Chicago School. Most Chicago theories justify every market situation as not a market failure but in fact the optimal position. For instance the theory of contestable markets allows for natural monopolies to be maintained. Even if there is a true market failure and Chicago Economist would say the market is contestable and therefore not a market failure. Neo-classical would assume that there is a market failure and some sort of intervention would result in a higer overall total welfare.

I may be wrong but I thought that is the fundamental difference between the two schools of thought. Other than that they are the same, but Chicago in practice denies taht market failures occur.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/#comment-7859 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:03:44 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2546#comment-7859 “because no one knows how to implement those rules so that they work just right all the time”

I completely agree. What I was trying to state in an offhand way is that any determination of choice needs to understand how the structure of the “game” is partially determined endogenously. I am not trying to say that government mystically knows ways pareto-optimal ways of changing the structure of society – if it came off that way then that is my mistake 🙂

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By: Socal Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/06/a-critique-of-the-austrian-and-chicago-schools/#comment-7853 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:38:22 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2546#comment-7853 There is no “role for structure” unless you can determine what that “role of structure” is. That’s what having choice is all about…not that it is perfect…it isn’t. The fact is nothing is perfect which means there is no such thing as a “rule for structure” because no one knows how to implement those rules so that they work just right all the time.
All choices that we are allowed to make are assumed to be rational and are assumed to be harmonious but often times are not. That’s called learning from experience.
The Free market is not perfect, but neither is the so called “role of structure”. We have different conclusions on these matters, but at least we have a Free Choice. That is important.

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