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Comments on: Israel-Palestine Conflict: A general model? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Apple 20-Inch Cinema Display Discontinued - Slashgear http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-16005 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:31:05 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-16005 […] Israel-Palestine Conflict: A general model? | TVHE […]

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By: Gene Linked To Reduced Mortality From Acute Lung Injury Identified … http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-10484 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:11:08 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-10484 […] Israel-Palestine Conflict: A general model? | TVHE […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-9736 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:00:46 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-9736 Hi What would Hayek say,

Focal points are definitely extremely important for determining the escalation of crises – and would be a good tool for analysing the specific conflict the Israel and Palestine have just fallen into. However, I am not sure that focal point arguments are sufficient for describing the longer-term choices by the agents – given that over a long-time horizon the “information problem” associated with these choices is likely to be overcome.

However, I definitely think you are onto something in the way you are describing the crisis as a “co-ordination failure” as well as a “prisoner’s dilemma”. The “co-ordination failure” you are describing is what we fundamentally require to prevent the standard infinite horizon co-operation solution to a prisoner’s dilemma.

Thanks for the pointer 🙂

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By: What would Hayek say http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-9729 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:15:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-9729 Hi Matt – good start with the prisoners dilemma and pareto improvement. You may want to have a look at more game theory in looking at payoffs for different options taken by participants and whether any of those options provide an improvement even if sub-optimal. You may want to look at Thomas Schellings work on focal points as one tool to help break the prisoners dilemma communication problems and maybe provide the basis for clarifying what are the triggers for both parties which the other is unaware of, e.g. Cuba was a trigger for US, but USSR was unaware it was a trigger and therefore proceeded when if it knew Cuba was a trigger (focal point) it may have acted differently.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-9530 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:36:30 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-9530 It is a tough conflict – I see fault on both sides. But I think it is more important to try and analyse the issue and figure out how we can improve things, rather than simply focusing on attributing blame.

Maybe its how we’ve been trained to think dant03 😛

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By: dant03 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-9528 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:26:48 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-9528 Its a funny thing this conflict (while also quite tragic, obviously!) – how so many apparently reasonable people can take such extreme stances (ie one side is the victim, the other side is the criminal) and cease thinking in terms of pragmatism but rather blame.

I remember hearing it said (I can’t remember by whom) that the further a person is willing to go in supporting one side over another in terms of relative ‘rights’ or ‘wrongs’ reveals the extent of their ideology [or you could say bias or racism I guess, but I wouldn’t ;o)]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/13/israel-palestine-conflict-a-general-model/#comment-9523 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:06:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2596#comment-9523 Hi Dant03,

That was sort of what I was saying – however, I think I left the question of a “rights based” justification for international conflict relatively open – as there is little way to find a pareto optimal solution in this case without pulling a whole lot of value judgments out of somewhere 😛

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