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	<title>Comments on: Borrowing, expectations, and potential output</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/14/borrowing-expectations-and-potential-output/comment-page-1/#comment-9776</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m not convinced. You don’t really have any evidence that the output projections are wrong. Unemployment is rising sharply and inflation is falling.&quot;

I don&#039;t expect you to be convinced - I&#039;m just stating a point of view ;)

Unemployment is rising sharply true, and that is a concern - as it suggests that the labour market isn&#039;t clearing.  

On the inflation side this is cooling - but not to the degree you would expect with the GIANT output gap that is being suggested.

Furthermore, of course I believe a situation exists where government should come in and just try to stimulate activity.  If the output gap is that massive - then there is a ton of spare capacity that the government could use cheaply, and private industry is scared to use.  But, is that the case?

&quot;What’s the worst-case scenario for implementing a fiscal stimulus now really?&quot;

The fact that it misallocates resources reducing social welfare - the goal of policy is to maximise social welfare overtime isn&#039;t it, not GDP in the next quarter ...

Just because output is falling doesn&#039;t mean the government needs to do something - that is not the default position.  If output is falling we need to identify why, and whether government can actually help in the situation.  Doing this requires a lot of faith in potential output forecasts - forecasts I don&#039;t believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not convinced. You don’t really have any evidence that the output projections are wrong. Unemployment is rising sharply and inflation is falling.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect you to be convinced &#8211; I&#8217;m just stating a point of view <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Unemployment is rising sharply true, and that is a concern &#8211; as it suggests that the labour market isn&#8217;t clearing.  </p>
<p>On the inflation side this is cooling &#8211; but not to the degree you would expect with the GIANT output gap that is being suggested.</p>
<p>Furthermore, of course I believe a situation exists where government should come in and just try to stimulate activity.  If the output gap is that massive &#8211; then there is a ton of spare capacity that the government could use cheaply, and private industry is scared to use.  But, is that the case?</p>
<p>&#8220;What’s the worst-case scenario for implementing a fiscal stimulus now really?&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that it misallocates resources reducing social welfare &#8211; the goal of policy is to maximise social welfare overtime isn&#8217;t it, not GDP in the next quarter &#8230;</p>
<p>Just because output is falling doesn&#8217;t mean the government needs to do something &#8211; that is not the default position.  If output is falling we need to identify why, and whether government can actually help in the situation.  Doing this requires a lot of faith in potential output forecasts &#8211; forecasts I don&#8217;t believe.</p>
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		<title>By: CPW</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/14/borrowing-expectations-and-potential-output/comment-page-1/#comment-9770</link>
		<dc:creator>CPW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced.  You don&#039;t really have any evidence that the output projections are wrong.  Unemployment is rising sharply and inflation is falling.  If you don&#039;t think this is obviously a situation with insufficient aggregate demand, I suspect you don&#039;t believe such a situation ever exists.  

The best econometric evidence seems to suggest that you get a more than 1 for 1 bang out of fiscal stimulus.  What&#039;s the worst-case scenario for implementing a fiscal stimulus now really? Inflation would be a boon in the current environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced.  You don&#8217;t really have any evidence that the output projections are wrong.  Unemployment is rising sharply and inflation is falling.  If you don&#8217;t think this is obviously a situation with insufficient aggregate demand, I suspect you don&#8217;t believe such a situation ever exists.  </p>
<p>The best econometric evidence seems to suggest that you get a more than 1 for 1 bang out of fiscal stimulus.  What&#8217;s the worst-case scenario for implementing a fiscal stimulus now really? Inflation would be a boon in the current environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/14/borrowing-expectations-and-potential-output/comment-page-1/#comment-9733</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Conclusion? Read more Matt Nolan, he has gotten this thing right.&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t call that the conclusion - if you had listened to the advice on my blog you probably would have lost some money over the past year :(

However, I find the paradox of thrift story just a bit fishy - I think it misses the point of what is the &quot;appropriate&quot; counter-factual.  Of course, I could easily be completely wrong again ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Conclusion? Read more Matt Nolan, he has gotten this thing right.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call that the conclusion &#8211; if you had listened to the advice on my blog you probably would have lost some money over the past year <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, I find the paradox of thrift story just a bit fishy &#8211; I think it misses the point of what is the &#8220;appropriate&#8221; counter-factual.  Of course, I could easily be completely wrong again <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MattYoung</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/14/borrowing-expectations-and-potential-output/comment-page-1/#comment-9728</link>
		<dc:creator>MattYoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conclusion?  Read more Matt Nolan, he has gotten this thing right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conclusion?  Read more Matt Nolan, he has gotten this thing right.</p>
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