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Comments on: Labour suggests breaking mortgage contracts http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:30:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11803 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:30:57 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11803 “In these tough economic times households that are able to adjust their borrowing rate downward will not choose to maintain their mortgage repayments at current levels but instead will spend any extra cash thus directly and widely benefiting the NZ economy as a whole”

I’m not of the school that getting people to spend will lead to some massive improvement in outcomes. I don’t agree that consumer spending needs to be maintained – I think that we merely need to make sure we are making use of our labour resource efficiently …

However I see what you are saying – you are saying that more flexible mortgages will make the OCR more effective. However, the Bank said in June that the OCR doesn’t seem to be any less effective, even with the proportion of people on fixed mortgage rates rising markedly:

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research/bulletin/2007_2011/2008jun71_2sethi.pdf

(Page 10)

As a result, I think they see the OCR as influencing other important measures, such as confidence and the exchange rate – rather than solely leading to an increase in households disposable income …

Letting people break their mortgage contracts like this will undoubtably have long-term consequences which go beyond the benefit of people spending more.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11802 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:20:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11802 “If Goff had another brain, it would be lonely”

I’m sure he knows what he is saying – he is a smart man. However, I just don’t like it when politics trumps sense.

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By: David http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11800 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:13:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11800 I say this is good suggestion by Mr Goff that steams not from socialist idealism but good economic sense. In these tough economic times households that are able to adjust their borrowing rate downward will not choose to maintain their mortgage repayments at current levels but instead will spend any extra cash thus directly and widely benefiting the NZ economy as a whole. We know it is essential at this time that consumer spending is maintained and this may an effective instrument for acheiving this. Moreover, in times of exceptional circumstance we should not be overly concerned about setting abstract precedents regarding contractual law, property rights, etc, but should be focused on finding creative solutions to address the problems at hand.
Let me be clear however, such a policy should only apply to mortgages on home loans and definitely not investment properties.

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By: Murray http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11712 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:22:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11712 If Goff had another brain, it would be lonely

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By: Credit loan debt management - Creditcards-log.com | Creditcard, Loan, Debt management http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11492 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:36:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11492 […] Labour suggests breaking mortgage contracts | TVHE […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11438 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:39:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11438 Indeed Matt, I don’t think politicians can help but create uncertainty can they 😛

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By: Matt http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11414 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:01:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11414 What stinks about Goff doing this is that by suggesting this interference in an environment with weak protections against capricious political interference, and introducing the possibility that government will step in to abrogate rights without compensation, some measure of the negative effects will be produced even if it never happens. That’s the rational response to this new uncertainty.

Poor show, Phil Goff.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11398 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:39:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11398 Hi everyone,

I agree he is playing politics – but why should the fact that he is a politician put him above simple economic logic? I will never accept “he is playing politics” as an excuse for mentioning bad policy – as “playing politics” in this sense is equivalent to creating misinformation, which saddens me.

Ultimately, banks and their customers signed contracts that were in their mutual best interest ex-ante. If it is in both the banks and the clients interest to renegotiate the contract (as may be the case when someone is struggling to make payments) then they CAN renegotiate a contract between them. If the government forces them to do it then they are effectively hurting one body to help the other – namely hurting banks to help some households who overburdened themselves.

If government does do this two things happen in the future:

1) banks place a higher risk on contracts (given government involvement) and increase interest rates – maybe they don’t even loan to some people when it would have been mutually beneficial.
2) households are willing to take more risk with their mortgage – as they realise the government will intervene to help them out.

No good, no no good.

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By: mortgage broker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11383 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:26:57 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11383 I think in particular circumstances,

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By: FreneticMonkey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/labour-suggests-breaking-mortgage-contracts/#comment-11353 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:19:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2734#comment-11353 “I think in particular circumstances, where there is hardship, the banks have got to come to the party and the Government has got to make that clear to the banks.”

He believed those most likely to be affected were people who had bought in the past few years at the peak of the housing boom and whose mortgages were higher than their properties were now worth.

Sounds like he is trying to encourage renegotiating loan terms where people have negative equity. “in particular circumstances… where there is hardship”.

It’s hardly a call to arms to rip up your mortgage contract and seize the means of production while your at it.

I think when a company goes bankrupt employment agreements are broken.

Yes of course he is playing politics (i do believe that’s his job).

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