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Comments on: Remember history when thinking of Keynesian economics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:33:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/#comment-11397 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:33:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2741#comment-11397 “However the government must create infrastructure to prevent the problems identified by keynes.”

We still need to justify that we are, infact, facing a sustained collapse in effective demand. The good thing about this quote from Keynes is that he makes this argument tranparently.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/#comment-11396 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:31:58 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2741#comment-11396 “No one reading in context what Keynes actually wrote could, with intellectual integriy, imagine that he was a skeptic about the value of public works to alleviate deficient demand.”

Indeed – in the quote Keynes blatantly states as much. However, as I say in the post, Keynes is stating that the policy only makes sense when effective demand is deficient – not in the case of the standard business cycle. Furthermore, his quote does not even mention structural shocks – which is another scenario when higher infrastructure spending is not an optimal response to lower output.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/#comment-11395 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:25:40 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2741#comment-11395 “Mario Rizza? Rizza? (shudder)”

Opppps, sorry. What can I say – I’m blind and illiterate 😛

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/#comment-11394 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:23:13 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2741#comment-11394 Mario Rizza? Rizza? (shudder)

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By: Investors times http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/#comment-11372 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:42:53 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2741#comment-11372 In this recession, i would think that if indeed consumer spending has halted then the government must intervene to prevent a systemic collapse. However it must choose fields that would create long term growth. Merely giving people money would only have a short term effect.

Money should be invested in green industries, technology, etc.
However the government must create infrastructure to prevent the problems identified by keynes.

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By: Laura Harrison http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/27/remember-history-when-thinking-of-keynes-economics/#comment-11349 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:14:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2741#comment-11349 As has been pointed out, context is hugely important. There can be no doubt that Keynes continued throughout his life to believe that public works and other fiscal stimulus could be enormously important in overcoming, or preventing, recessions. This quote does not in any way support skepticism about public works. Indeed, Keynes explicitly says – “organised public works, at home and abroad, may be the right cure…”

Keynes was arguing in 1942 for a system of buffer stocks, or “Commodity Control”, in addition to such an approach. The sentences quoted are immediately followed by this:

“Buffer stick controls to deal with the epidemic of intermittent effective demand are therefore the perfect complement of development organisations (or international T.V.A.) to offset a deficiency of effective demand which seems to be endemic.”

Keynes wanted “international T.V.A.” – to do internationally what President Roosevelt had done with the Tennessee Valley Authority. So much for skepticism about public works!

The context of all this may be seen by reading Keynes’s Collected Writings, or the chapter of Markwell’s “Keynes and International Relations” dealing with Keynes’s vision for the post-war world. The latter makes it clear that it was Keynes being persuaded (e.g. by Alvin Hansen and Luther Gulick) that the United States was sufficiently committed to ideas like “international T.V.A.” that led him to think it safe to advocate an open trading order post-war.

No one reading in context what Keynes actually wrote could, with intellectual integriy, imagine that he was a skeptic about the value of public works to alleviate deficient demand.

Professors of economics (and others) who, implicitly or explicitly, quote out of context are liable to bring themselves into disrepute and contempt. The present crisis is too serious for this.

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