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Comments on: Kiva: Individual microlending http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:10:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: StephenR http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14618 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:10:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14618 “Indeed – at some level it provides “too much” choice, given transaction costs. This is why I like the idea of groups

I actually never thought of it that way…might have to have another look…

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14522 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:12:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14522

Raf :
If you like the idea join up with the Kiva Kiwis group
http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam?team_id=92
Micro and P2P lending may become more prevalent as the banking system collapses. Also look at http://www.Nexx.co.nz here in NZ which is due to start shortly.
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Hi Raf,

Very very cool – I will put up a post advertising the New Zealand group in the next few days methinks 🙂

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14521 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:11:03 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14521 “The gist of what you say is that this practice (essentially ‘wealth
creation’?) is better than ‘conventional’ charity. My first thought in
response to that was: it’s a little hard to be an entrepreneur when
you’ve been infected by Guinea Worm i.e. your quality of life is so low
that doing ANY work, let alone running a business, is extremely
difficult. I value such projects to ammeliorate or fix such conditions
higher than I do wealth creation, as I think an immediate end to
suffering trumps enterprises like Kiva.”

Indeed – in some areas there are institutional issues that no amount of “credit availability” (which is what this effectively creates) can solve. Which is why there is definitely a role for other charities.

“I happily use Kiva, but at the moment it takes only a small share of
my charitable expenses, for the reasons above, plus it would probably
get a bit confusing and time intensive allocating money to 20
different projects a month!””

Indeed – at some level it provides “too much” choice, given transaction costs. This is why I like the idea of groups 🙂

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By: StephenR http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14520 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:05:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14520 From Stephen R:

“Simon D and Matt:

The gist of what you say is that this practice (essentially ‘wealth
creation’?) is better than ‘conventional’ charity. My first thought in
response to that was: it’s a little hard to be an entrepreneur when
you’ve been infected by Guinea Worm i.e. your quality of life is so low
that doing ANY work, let alone running a business, is extremely
difficult. I value such projects to ammeliorate or fix such conditions
higher than I do wealth creation, as I think an immediate end to
suffering trumps enterprises like Kiva.

I can stab in the dark and guess your reply(s) as being something
along the lines of ‘revenue produced as a result of successful
business will feed through either in the form of more public
health/infrastructure revenue or produce money for private
treatment/infrastructure measures’, but that is certainly very much in
the long term. Or perhaps a bit of ‘a healthy mix of both is good’,
eh?! 😀

I happily use Kiva, but at the moment it takes only a small share of
my charitable expenses, for the reasons above, plus it would probably
get a bit confusing and time intensive allocating money to 20
different projects a month!”

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By: Raf http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14487 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:51:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14487 If you like the idea join up with the Kiva Kiwis group

http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam?team_id=92

Micro and P2P lending may become more prevalent as the banking system collapses. Also look at http://www.Nexx.co.nz here in NZ which is due to start shortly.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14465 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:43:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14465 “Yes – I’ve been involved with this for a while as well. I’ve gotten my money back three times now 🙂 In my opinion it is a vastly better way of helping those less fortunate than charity. It gives the entrepeneur in the third world power to improve their condition and avoids the hand out mentality.”

Definitely 🙂

I mean, helping people in less fortunate countries build infrastructure and trade has to be one of the top ways of helping them out of poverty!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14464 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:43:07 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14464 “wouldn’t they raise more money if they paid interest to the lenders?”

Indeed, if they offered the market rate of interest we would have an equilibrium 🙂

However, there are two issues:

1) Placing interest on it may move it away from feeling like a charity – if people get value because it feels like a charity, adding interest may lower donations/investment

2) The market rate of interest for this type of investment may already be available on the site – it may be zero!

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By: SimonD http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14180 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:43:01 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14180 Yes – I’ve been involved with this for a while as well. I’ve gotten my money back three times now 🙂 In my opinion it is a vastly better way of helping those less fortunate than charity. It gives the entrepeneur in the third world power to improve their condition and avoids the hand out mentality.

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By: FreneticMonkey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14179 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:33:14 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14179 i like their website it’s like trademe opened a bank 😉
wouldn’t they raise more money if they paid interest to the lenders?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/13/kiva-individual-microlending/#comment-14052 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:19:39 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2872#comment-14052 And by invested I mean that they have given money to groups on the site – not that they own stock.

There is no financial interest here is all I’m trying to say – its just a cool idea I wanted to mention. Sadly, my ability to choose the right words has failed me 😛

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