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Comments on: Wellington City Council are not welfare maximisers http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:02:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16766 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:02:14 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16766 “If you ask people “do you agree with our super plan to improve bus reliability and amenities in the CBD”, they’ll probably answer yes.”

Damned framing!!!

]]> By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16765 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:51:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16765 So, Rich, do you think that the survey gives a biased view of the views of the populace?

]]> By: Rich http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16764 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:50:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16764 If you ask people “do you agree with our super plan to improve bus reliability and amenities in the CBD”, they’ll probably answer yes.

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16645 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:38:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16645 I bet those damn Jville people just want to stop us from using Manners Mall. Those sadists 🙂

Of course I jest …

]]> By: Rich http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16570 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:00:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16570 Just to be all legalistic, the Local Government Act talks about consulting with people *affected* by the policy. Somebody picked at random, who maybe lives in J-ville, shops at a Westfield and comes into town by car twice a year isn’t really affected by the proposed change.

Those who made submissions will tend to be.

Also, the “making room for buses” aim is bogus. There are plenty of streets (Dixon, Wakefield, Ghuznee, Jervois Quay, not to mention the Terrace Tunnel) that could be converted from their current all vehicle use into exclusive or shared busways. The plan is really about making room for cars by taking space from pedestrians.

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16507 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:57:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16507 All very true Brad.

The reason I agreed so strongly is because I’m among the set of people who would really like to keep Manners Mall – I’m letting my value judgments get in the way 🙂

]]> By: Brad Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16400 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:10:54 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16400 Going with the unweighted preferences of people is more in line with the democratic ideal. I would prefer they took preference intensity into account, but I suspect most people care more about giving everyone equal say than about maximising welfare, at least on an abstract, procedural level.

Also, it’s not clear that the aggregate welfare the submission-writing minority is actually greater than those who prefer buses but didn’t make a submission. The many small welfare gains from buses could easily outweigh the few large losses.

The only way to know is to go with Tideman and Tullock or, better still, leave it to the market.

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/02/25/wellington-city-council-are-not-welfare-maximisers/#comment-16375 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:34:20 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=2991#comment-16375 Agreed.

Tearing up Manners Mall seems like a ridiculous idea to me – unless we want to turn into a small version of Auckland 🙁

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