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Comments on: In favour of the ‘iwi tax’ http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:46:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17873 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:46:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17873 @Lew
Ha, I corrected that typo, thanks Lew. Although I do agree with your sentiment that it seems acceptable to be anti-iwi in today’s politics. It’s definitely sad that the front-page news is about iwi harassment of fishermen, not fishermen using racism to try to achieve political ends.

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By: Lew http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17867 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:28:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17867 rauparaha,

I also doubt that major newspapers aren’t being intentionally racially biased

Heh. I, too, doubt that they aren’t 🙂

Thanks for your post – a deeper and more formal look at the underlying motives of the action, rather than how the action was rendered. And in the comments an interesting set of questions about the nature of different titles – I assume fee simple or a common understanding of what it is to `own’ a resource, and while I believe the rights I ascribed in my post are necessarily included in that title (otherwise, what economic value would the title have?) it’s useful to consider the margins of those rights.

L

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17850 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:58:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17850 @John

I don’t think so. First, the iwi own the river (or the relevant part of it) in fee simple so they do privately own it. In this case the idea of customary title is irrelevant.

Secondly, while the CA’s decision allowed that there may be customary title over foreshore and seabed, that is far from a title in fee. Any current private or public ownership of the land that could be established would preclude the claim of customary title.

Finally, I am not sure that having customary title would allow the iwi to charge people for the right to take fish from the land, or even whether it would allow them to exclude others from the land. Perhaps someone better versed in the nature of customary title in New Zealand could help out here? I’m sure Richard Boast’s written something on the topic but I don’t have time to look it up now, sorry.

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By: John http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17848 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:47:37 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17848 Isn’t it relevant that under the treaty Iwi could own everything not owned privately (including all fisheries)?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0307/S00029.htm

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By: StephenR http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17847 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:23:20 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17847 It does at least outline the facts as you stated them in the post, but whether or not people will be able to see through visions of Maori making them pay to fish in the sea is another thing.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17846 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:52:30 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17846 A bit of both: we try to steer clear of politics on this blog, but I also doubt that major newspapers are being intentionally racially biased when they write their pieces. I would like to think that the tone of the article reflects the view of the people that the reporter canvassed when researching it.

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By: StephenR http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/07/3100/#comment-17845 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:41:28 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3100#comment-17845 The newspaper article seems a bit negative about the scheme and I can’t see why.

You sure you can’t see why? Or are you just deliberately stearing clear of the politics?

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