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Comments on: Changing the way we recycle http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 17 Jun 2019 06:13:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: homepaddock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17882 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:44:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17882 “I don’t know what the social costs and benefits of recycling are,”

Does anyone know the economic and environmental costs and benefits of recycling? ie does it cost more or less than dumping and have a greater or lesser impact on the environment?

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By: DanT http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17877 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:02:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17877 Hi Rauparaha,

How do you know where I work? Hehe.

I can’t think of anything to hand on this, but in a spare moment will check it out. Suspect that kind of analysis has not been done…

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By: insider http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17875 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:45:11 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17875 Isn’t it purely psychological – people note and resent the direct fee even though it is controllable, but pay no mind to the indirect and higher fee they can’t control. That’s just the way we are.

NZBCSD released a survey that said people would buy biofuels if they were 10cpl less – well of course they would, even if that meant they were paying more for the rest of their fuel to make up the lost tax revenue that would be necessary to reduce biofuel costs.

People would rather pay 80c for a 1000hr lightbulb now and $10 to run and buy replacements it even though they could get one for $4 that would only cost $3 to run and it would go for 7000 hours.

We are creatures most stimulated by direct stimulus.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17874 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:53:06 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17874 @ Paul Walker

I don’t know what the social costs and benefits of recycling are, Paul. If you have some numbers on it, or a link, that would be really interesting, thanks.

@ Chch people

As a Wellingtonian I only know what I read in that Press article about Chch recycling. Here we pay per bag for kerbside rubbish and the council wanted to introduce cheaper bags for recycling instead of funding bins through the rates. Eric’s proposal seems most like what our council wanted to do. I agree it would be strange to charge for recycling when rubbish pickup is costless.

@ DanT

We would definitely need to think about the relative social costs of dealing with rubbish and recycling. Perhaps your workplace has some useful info on it that you coudl share with us?

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By: DanT http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17869 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:13:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17869 Rauparaha,

Okay – user pays. But to avoid there being distortions, let us be sure that there are user pays for kerbside rubbish collection levied at a comparable level (ie not skewing things in favour of kerbside recycling or simply throwing the recycling in with the rubbish).

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17868 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:50:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17868 It would have made a lot of sense to charge for recycling in Christchurch under our old scheme, where we paid $1.20 per garbage bag but $0 for recycling. The cost on garbage bags approximately covered incremental costs; there remained some subsidy to landfill use because the first N bags were “free”. Now that we pay nothing for waste going to landfill, it would be tough to start charging for recycling. What I wish they’d have done instead: make the recycle bin the smaller of the two, and accept only recycling that’s worth collecting in the recycle bin. By “worth” I mean materials that have net economic value.

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By: Dave http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17866 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:55:08 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17866 I think the context of the Christchurch complaint is that the Christchurch residents are getting a brand new gold-plated “free” recycling scheme with three different wheelie bins (recycling, garden waste, and rubbish), while the businesses in the article are aggrieved that they are the only ones that have to pay just because there’s nowhere to put the wheelie bins in the central city.

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/08/changing-the-way-we-recycle/#comment-17864 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:36:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3113#comment-17864 I can’t help but think this misses a basic question: Is recycling worth it in the first place? From what I’ve seen of the costs and benefits of the Christchurch scheme the answer may be no.

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