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Comments on: Where the streets have no signs http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:11:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: How to Get Six Pack Fast http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-19026 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:11:45 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-19026 I follow your blog for quite a long time and must tell you that your articles always prove to be of a high value and quality for readers.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18148 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:51:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18148 @rauparaha

Not a fan unless we can identify them – is there some way we can make pre-commiting concentration ex-ante optional

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18147 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:45:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18147 @Matt Nolan
Depends on how you view time inconsistency internalities and whether you think the government should intervene to correct them.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18146 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:41:50 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18146 @rauparaha

Definitely, definitely, include the cost of the status quo. However, given that the post was focused on the benefits of lowering the quality I thought it would be apt to include the costs 😉

Benefit to exercising our brains – I’m pretty sure that one is internalised isn’t it 😉

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18145 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:37:27 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18145 @Matt Nolan
Don’t forget to include the cost of the status quo. The cost of all of the traffic management devices that we install and maintain is not insignificant.

I’m sure that the attention cost of reading the innumerable traffic signs and watching the lights all adds up, too. Lets not forget that we should all be driving defensively and watching out for pedestrians anyway. I think there’s also a benefit to our mental acuity of constantly exercising our brains 😉

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18144 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:26:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18144 @rauparaha

Just because it is a accepted heuristic doesn’t mean that we can ignore economic logic when figuring out what is welfare maximising 😛

The way I see it we need to actually have a reason why forcing people to incur a cost is optimal. If the agents were completely independent of each other then it would be self evident that, in the absense of individuals who are a bit silly, such a policy is not welfare maximising – even if less people die.

However, if there is an externality we can make the argument. Namely, their is a social cost associated with people not paying attention on the road – when/if they crash they may well hurt other people. Given this specific element we could make a case for forcing agents to face an additional cost.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18143 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:21:14 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18143 I would note that looking at injuries and fatalities is an accepted heuristic for judging the effectiveness of traffic calming measures.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18139 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:55:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18139 Offsetting behaviour just means that there’s an income effect from regulation that runs counter to the substitution effect. You make safety cheaper, and people will consume more of it, except that the income effect of being safer makes them consume somewhat less. In some cases, it offsets completely, but that’s not the norm. Rather, failure to account for it makes us generally overestimate the benefits of regulation.

Matt’s of course right that paying attention is costly and that such costs ought be factored into any proper analysis.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/18/where-the-streets-have-no-signs/#comment-18132 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:02:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3274#comment-18132 On an extremely mild tangent I would note that it is not necessarily too good to be true – as we don’t know how costly it is for cars and pedestrians to have to constantly make decisions.

In fact – if they didn’t do so before you could make the argument that the risk of dieing previously incurred a lower cost than having to consciously look out for traffic all the time. And now that people are looking out they are incurring that cost …

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