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Comments on: What is up with the balance of payments? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:27:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18614 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:27:23 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18614 @Miguel Sanchez

I don’t know – we did do a lot of investment over the last five years. We borrowed money to get plant and machinery and build factories.

Even if we did borrow to spend to some degree this would only be an issue if households misinterpreted the housing bubble as real wealth – and even though this is an issue there is nothing we could of done about it to start with.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18613 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:26:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18613 @Andrew Coleman

Interesting comment. However, again I would state that my concern isn’t regarding the size of the deficit – it is the uncertainty provided by such an large error term.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18612 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:24:28 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18612 @Stephen Whittington

Stephen – indeed there is nothing wrong with a current account deficit – even one that is 9% of GDP. As long as household have well based expectations about future income streams then there is nothing to be concerned about.

Remember also, that if we buy things from overseas and they just hold a “claim” on resources that will come into the capital account.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18610 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:22:11 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18610 @Paul Walker

I agree that it isn’t necessarily a problem – however, it is a statistic that investors use as a signal so it does have a real impact. When we have enormous errors like this I start to get concerned about the quality of the signal – and no doubt so do investors. This creates uncertainty – which is not nice stuff.

I note Miguel felt a similar way – but I think that the uncertainty issue associated with it is the prime one.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18546 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:44:08 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18546 Not really – it probably tells us more about the fact that we were willing to continue spending beyond our means. I don’t think we’ve seriously tested the limits of the international market’s willingness to lend to us just yet.

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By: Stephen Whittington http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18544 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:53:54 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18544 I agree with you Paul, I guess I’m just saying that the current account deficit can actually suggest something positive. If others choose to hold NZ Dollars and inest them here, we will have a deficit. But that may in fact be a good thing for the country.

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By: Andrew Coleman http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18543 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:08:45 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18543 The current account position is is probably irrelevent, and in any case it is not well measured. One problem is that the data is not properly adjusted for the effects of inflation. In particular, SNZ records the net nominal interest payments flow, rather than the net real interest payment flow. Since (i) New Zealand has net debt of approximately 100 percent of GDP, (ii) most of the net debt position is in New Zealand dollars and (iii) under Dr Bollard’s leadership of the Reserve Bank, we have become a moderate inflation country (approximately 3% average over the last five years), the current account deficit is overstated by 2- 3% of GDP. This is non trivial. This adjustment is reasonably well recognized in most circles (but not the media) which is possibly why there is less concern about the size of the current deficit than there would otherwise be.

There is at least one other well known measurement problem: SNZ does not measure foreign assets privately held by NZ residents, unless they are held through a financial institution (such as a pension fund or bank). Thus pension fund assets owned by NZ in a foreign pension fund (say a UK fund owned by someone who worked in London for a while), foreign shares (including non-dual-listed australian shares) purchased by NZers, and foreign assets owned by people migrating to NZ are not measured. As a consequence, the earnings on these assets are not measured either.

Perhaps a good game would be to guess the size of these assets (my guess: half as much as last year)

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18540 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:24:07 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18540 @Stephen Whittington

Just by national accounts logic the BOP has to be zero, a deficit on the current account has to be covered by a surplus on the capital account, or the other way round. If we have a current account deficit of $1 billion then we have to find $1 billion to pay for those goods. The way we pay for them is via either borrow money from overseas, or sell assets. This will gives us a capital account surplus.

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By: Stephen Whittington http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/03/29/what-is-up-with-the-balance-of-payments/#comment-18539 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:50:13 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3393#comment-18539 I’m not sure if it is correct to say that we must finance a current account deficit.

Let us say we sell $1 billion worth of goods and services, but buy $2 billion. We have a current account deficit of $1 billion. But let’s say that those who have received our dollars merely keep them under their mattress. We have a deficit, but we do not need to finance it by borrowing from them.

They have a claim on our goods and services in terms of the use of money, but the fact that they’re willing to hold our dollar probably suggests that we aren’t doing too badly.

Or am I completely wrong on this point?

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