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Comments on: A good question for civil servants http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:57:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Tips to Buy Used Cars | Driving Tips Blog http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19401 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:57:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19401 […] TVHE ยป A good &#113uestion for civil servants […]

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By: Is South African leadership playing its role on development? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19327 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:54:41 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19327 […] TVHE ยป A good question for civil servants […]

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By: TVHE » More quality quotes from the civil service http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19281 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:04:01 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19281 […] if they were inspired by yesterday’s post – some civil servants from Housing New Zealand dropped this train of thought: The submission said […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19257 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:18:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19257 Although, for this specific example there is the argument that people will “hold out” on signing up if they think they can extract a greater surplus by “holding-up” the process – if everyone is trying to hold-up the process then we might not be able to get it through in a socially efficient manner.

Of course – for the sake of discussion I recognise that you abstracted away from this issue, so would could discuss the more central conceptual issues ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19256 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:15:56 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19256 @rauparaha

Indeed ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19255 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:14:50 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19255 @Matt Nolan
Ah, then we’re in agreement ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19251 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:21:26 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19251 @rauparaha

Indeed – and in that case they could compensate landowners right.

But if they offer compensation that equals what they expect social benefit is – and people still say they value staying on the land more – then would it be fair to assume the policy isn’t socially optimal, I think so.

I have met civil servants that say that is rubbish – and that the land owners are too stupid to realise that it is in their interest. It just isn’t how policy makers should justify pushing residents around.

After all civil servants are supposed to “serve” the people’s express will – not tell them what their will is

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19250 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:18:13 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19250 @Dismal Soyanz

If the loss for a person can’t be compensated by offering them the social benefit it doesn’t sound like an optimal policy.

I guess fundamentally my real concern lies with the attitude of some policy makers – that they need to look after us because we are stupid. If they merely thought about how they felt if things were the other way around they might change their minds.

We want policy makers that do what is socially optimal – not what rubs their ego.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19249 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:17:06 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19249 @Matt Nolan
That’s very true, which is why I didn’t say pareto optimal. In a Kaldor-Hicks sense it may still be optimal. Take the wind farm as an example. The energy company’s profits may be less than the private cost to the local residents affected, but the benefit to other consumers is unlikely to get transferred unless the government steps in and takes it out of taxes. In that case the bureaucrats need to make an assessment of what’s best and either transfer to the residents or just allow the farm and screw the residents. Either way, we’d be worse off if the govt didn’t do something. I don’t see that as an extraordinary situation, either.

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/04/23/a-good-question-for-civil-servants/#comment-19248 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:14:16 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3665#comment-19248 Hmmm. Take nimbyism for example. If the guhmint believes that a hydro dam must be built on river X, then those who live along river X are likely to oppose it. Will they move for enough money? Many will but there will always be someone for whom money is no compensation for their loss of home, memories, heritage, etc. Monetary compensation doesn’t work and it requires the state to compulsory buy the land and evict current owners.

But this digresses from the original post. Clearly there are rules which are for our own good (minimum age for purchasing alcohol?). Is there an objective way of measuring when the social loss of inaction is sufficiently large that regulation is required? Perhaps in special circumstances but I doubt there is a universally applicable answer.

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