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Comments on: Shopping for electricity – Powershop http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 12 May 2009 21:04:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Want A Cheap Night Cream? How To Avoid Getting Ripped Off - Best Anti Aging Cream | Best Anti Aging Cream http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19651 Tue, 12 May 2009 21:04:25 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19651 […] TVHE » Shopping for physical phenomenon – Powershop […]

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By: louise http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19563 Wed, 06 May 2009 19:57:28 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19563 Hi insider.
re the transmission charges, yes they do get passed straight through by lines co’s but they are still part of the value chain. Transpower recovers over $500m per year of capital costs for the grid which are apportioned across all energy users, hence the 2-3 cents. My knowledge of actual number is probably a bit old, lines charges have probably gone up in the last 8 years since I worked in that area!

I would switch to try it out, but i’m dual fuel and as part of package with Nova get free electric daily charges so unlikely to be worthwhile.

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By: The Right Night Cream for Your Skin | Best Anti Aging Cream http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19542 Wed, 06 May 2009 03:31:26 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19542 […] TVHE » Shopping for physical phenomenon – Powershop […]

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By: insider http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19529 Wed, 06 May 2009 02:26:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19529 @louise

Hmm the 7-8c would usually incorporate TP charges as they are just a pass through. But taking yours and my numbers 4 for energy + 7 for lines + 2 for transmission that leaves 6c or 30% for extras and margin based on current prices! That’s quite a lot for utility businesses in a competitive market I’d have thought. Would be interesting to model what their charges might have been if they had launched in 08 to see what their risk is.

The point is, they smooth prices and are not reflecting the true costs at the time, even though they are selling for very short terms and prices are very low at the moment – under $25 average yesterday and under $10 in the SI today – yet charging over 20ckwh for weekly power packs.

That means their risk exposure is much lower because it’s unlikely prices are going to move unexpectedly strongly in that time and they can lock in risk as you prepay. So the deals they are offering may look good but might also involve some very healthy margins.

That said their rates look very competitive. If I weren’t on a fixed contract I’d definitely consider it, especially if they had sharper rates for off peak or low season power.

What this raises for me is why aren’t others doing similar, why are margins so high, and why isn’t the competitive market delivering lower prices than currently (or perhaps this is proof it is). Perhaps the Comcom report out soon will start to ask those questions.

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19484 Tue, 05 May 2009 09:38:23 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19484

Dismal Soyanz :
Being the lazy consumer that I am, I let inertia do its thing. Actually I’ve just changed power supplier and have other things to occupy my time with in the interim so changing supplier again is not on the agenda. However, I would be quite interested in a) what you estimate your savings will be over a year (maybe a %age figure?) and b) what your actual savings are in a year’s time. Put it in your calendar to revisit this!

It’s difficult for me to form a counter-factual, as I live with varying numbers of people with varying consumption habits (whether they’re home during the day or not, for example). The way I can tell I’m making savings is if I’m paying less than 21.6 c/kWh (which doesn’t take into account the daily charge by other retailers either). And I definitely haven’t had to pay near that amount yet (although winter will be the telling period, I’m sure).

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By: louise http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19483 Tue, 05 May 2009 08:31:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19483 @insider
They can justify 19c because about 7-8c goes in line charges, another few cents to Transpower, a bit more on “ancillary” services, and some handling (retail) cost. Not difficult to add that up.

Question for Ari – I’m a dual fuel user…but I can’t get gas on powershop so am unlikely to switch…anything being done about this?
thanks

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19481 Tue, 05 May 2009 05:24:20 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19481 Costs to serve and retail margin spring to mind. 😛

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By: insider http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/05/04/shopping-for-electricity-powershop/#comment-19480 Tue, 05 May 2009 05:21:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=3743#comment-19480 I’d add that if PS are buying on the spot market, how can they justify a price of 19c/kwh when prices are averaging about 4c/kwh? 🙂

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