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Comments on: Nobody is above the law http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:03:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20061 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:03:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20061 @ben
Continued in the other thread.

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By: ben http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20060 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:36:28 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20060 @rauparaha

I did check the other thread. In response to my question, “What transaction costs?” you said:

It’s not easy to get friends to reduce their smoking or form implicit contracts with them. You have to use up social capital to do it, which is costly to you. Mentioning to them that you don’t like their habit is unlikely to be enough to achieve efficiency.

Is that not fairly summarised as, “if transactions costs are important enough to prevent friends sharing opinions on smoking…”?

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20058 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:27:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20058 I entirely agree. To be clear, I support the law as it stands. The problem I have is the contention by Greg O’Connor that the police should be immune from private actions against them. I hope that clarifies my post 🙂

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By: steve http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20057 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:02:07 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20057 the reason the police officer was discharged without conviction is because the punishment would not fit the crime. There are a number of similar cases where the same thing has occurred. this police officer would no longer be able to keep her job. Perhaps the more appropriate punishment would be the same as for anyone else who made a mistake in their job. such as a formal written warning, but not a criminal conviction.

The police aren’t completely off the hook because it is going to be followed up by a private civil action. this will mean the police will have to pay some compensation to the victim, its practically an open and shut case, but the officer won’t be left unemployable.

Sounds like a fair enough outcome to me and covers the moral hazard problem.

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By: Nick http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20056 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:59:10 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20056 The story doesn’t mention why the police officer arrested the man in a private driveway. And without knowing that, it’s hard to judge whether this police officer behaved reasonably or not.

But I don’t see why police officers need to fear private prosecutions, as suggested in this story. The judge let this police officer go without any conviction, despite finding her guilty of assault. When police officers are not punished for breaking the law. Then it doesn’t make sense for them to fear breaking that law.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20055 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:36:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20055 @ben
I didn’t say that in the other post. If you need clarification then check out the comments subsequent to yours.

On the matter of transaction costs here:

1) Few would suggest that the costs of prosecution always outweigh the societal benefit, so you must be talking about the particular case and its minor offending. Prosecution of minor offences is always at the discretion of the prosecutor and the prosecutor bears the cost of filing the action. That is no different in private than in public prosecutions so I see no reason for a different rule.

2) The very small number of private prosecutions taken suggests that they are hardly overburdening the judicial system.

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By: ben http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20054 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:14:39 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20054 Rauparaha, if transactions costs are important enough to prevent friends sharing opinions on smoking, then they are probably large enough to turn your analysis here on its head.

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By: Nobody is above the law | Property | Properties http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20053 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:15:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/06/11/nobody-is-above-the-law/#comment-20053 […] Here is the original post:  Nobody is above the law […]

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