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		<title>By: Matt Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-20583&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Paul Walker&lt;/a&gt; 

I 100% agree with you about these models being &quot;industries&quot; and &quot;production functions&quot; rather than underlying firms.  Originally I was going to write about that - but I felt that, even at this level there were missing issues in what Keen wrote.

Ultimately, if he is going to discuss Cournot he should stick to Cournot, and if he is going to solve games he needs to make sure that the individual strategies are consistent and that we have a Nash Equilibrium.  Fundamentally, I suspect he is missing the issue of observability and timing in his work - which is no good as far as my limited understanding goes.</description>
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<p>I 100% agree with you about these models being &#8220;industries&#8221; and &#8220;production functions&#8221; rather than underlying firms.  Originally I was going to write about that &#8211; but I felt that, even at this level there were missing issues in what Keen wrote.</p>
<p>Ultimately, if he is going to discuss Cournot he should stick to Cournot, and if he is going to solve games he needs to make sure that the individual strategies are consistent and that we have a Nash Equilibrium.  Fundamentally, I suspect he is missing the issue of observability and timing in his work &#8211; which is no good as far as my limited understanding goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walker</title>
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		<description>As a theory of the firm man can I say that the standard perfectly competitive, oligopoly and monopoly models don&#039;t have firms in them, they are more models of industries rather than models of firms. This follows from Coase 1937. As Martins Rickets put it &quot;If market transactions were costless there would be no rationale for firms&quot;. In other words, in a model with zero transaction costs, which the standard models are, firms need not exist. Production takes place over the market since it is costless to organise it that way.

Ignoring that, I agree with  your discussion. In a Nash equilibrium all firms will maximise profits given their beliefs, which are correct in equilibrium, about what the other firms will do. If some firms can observe other firms actions you don&#039;t have a static game, you now have dynamics which makes things more interesting and realistic but also a lot more complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a theory of the firm man can I say that the standard perfectly competitive, oligopoly and monopoly models don&#8217;t have firms in them, they are more models of industries rather than models of firms. This follows from Coase 1937. As Martins Rickets put it &#8220;If market transactions were costless there would be no rationale for firms&#8221;. In other words, in a model with zero transaction costs, which the standard models are, firms need not exist. Production takes place over the market since it is costless to organise it that way.</p>
<p>Ignoring that, I agree with  your discussion. In a Nash equilibrium all firms will maximise profits given their beliefs, which are correct in equilibrium, about what the other firms will do. If some firms can observe other firms actions you don&#8217;t have a static game, you now have dynamics which makes things more interesting and realistic but also a lot more complicated.</p>
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