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Comments on: In defence of the scalper http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:05:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Dismalsoyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21832 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:05:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21832 An interesting article in the recent NBER working papers series:

THE WELFARE EFFECTS OF TICKET RESALE
Phillip Leslie
Alan Sorensen
Working Paper 15476

We develop an equilibrium model of ticket resale in which buyers’ decisions in the primary market, including costly efforts to “arrive early” to buy underpriced tickets, are based on rational expectations
of resale market outcomes. We estimate the parameters of the model using a novel dataset that combines transaction data from both the primary and secondary markets for a sample of major rock concerts.
Our estimates indicate that while resale improves allocative efficiency, half of the welfare gain from reallocation is offset by increases in costly effort in the arrival game and transaction costs in the resale
market.

I’ve not read the whole thing but the potential welfare loss appears to be related to cost associated with “brokers” exerting effort (and thus forcing others to exert greater effort) to obtain tickets in the primary market. In a situation where the effort required is relatively low (e.g. internet ticket sales) my gut reaction is that the social welfare loss is pretty small compared to the allocative gains.

Another interesting aspect to their model is that 31% of resellers do so below face value (i.e. at a loss) because of things like schedule conflicts. An alternative explanation is that they realised that the demand for Britney tickets just really isn’t that high…

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21671 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:52:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21671 Ticket sellers take on a lot of financial risk with less-popular events. Perhaps this uncertainty makes them very conservative when it comes to events they KNOW will be very popular?

Another thing to consider is that if the ticket seller (who is linked to the band) charges huge prices, then it looks like the band is ripping off their fans (even though their customers are more than willing to pay that high price).

This is a very emotive issue and I have had several really fun arguments with concert-going colleagues about the social good of scalpers. Usually they refuse to listen, they consider the original price of the tickets to be the market price.

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By: Sam Dodd http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21666 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:34:25 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21666 I totally agree that scalpers aren’t the problem! I think we have a simular problem with governments.

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By: Dismalsoyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21663 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:10:29 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21663 @agnitio

Good point.

Anyone done a study on the elasticity of hot pie demand relative to ticket price?

Do performers get a cut of sales from unrelated merchants (e.g. f&b)?

@steve
From a PR perspective, its not a bad thing to underprice and have excess demand. That way you can perpetuate the excess demand if buyers’ behaviour is conditional on the outcome of the previous event. However, perhaps the problem is that they do not know what the price that would just clear the market is and prefer to err on the side of lower price (and excess demand).

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By: steve http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21662 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:34:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21662 in addition, scalpers simply face different “costs” in terms of backlash etc, and can therefore sell tickets at the scalped premium

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By: steve http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21661 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:28:25 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21661 If the promoter were to price the event properly, they would set a price such that the event sells out on the day of the event, (as opposed to immediately). If they can price discriminate different seats then they will simply do this for each section of pricing. If they set a price so low the event sells out straight away, they are simply throwing potential profits away. Since promoters and artists are likely profit maximisers, there must be other reasons for setting the price lower that will lead to long-run profit maximisation. i.e. charging high prices may lead to a backlash at future events, purchase of merchandise etc and they want to avoid this “cost”.

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21659 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:15:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21659 I’m guessing promoters and artists don’t like it becasue then people have less money to buy merchandise at the event.

Thus scalping is a transfer away from the prmoter/band to the scalper.

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By: Dismalsoyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21658 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:41:06 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21658 Hmmm. I guess the question is whether the original artist/service provider contemplated a fixed price and no secondary market when they contracted to provide their work/service.

If I assign the rights to manage who gets to see my work/taste my food etc to a third party, do I have any right as to how it is priced? Unless it is explicitly laid out, have I given the promoter carte blanche wrt pricing?

Aside from the qustion of fakes, the only reason I can come up with why promoters don’t like scalping is because it shows that they got the pricing wrong.

The artist/service providers should be relatively indifferent or perhaps even slightly pleased if it means that those attending are willing to pay higher prices not just to attend but to also purchase merchandise. [Possibly the argument about getting it wrong also applies to the artist-promoter relationship as well?]

Not sure Custer found it so pleasurable.

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By: Scalping | Kiwiblog http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21656 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:02:03 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21656 […] Goonix defends scalpers at TVHE: Events in high demand that have limited capacity sell out. See for example the Wellington Sevens or Toast Martinborough, which sold out in three minutes and thirteen minutes respectively. These events sell out as demand far outstrips supply at the price that the seller sets. In other words, many of those purchasing the tickets would be willing to pay much more than they actually do pay in order to attend said event. […]

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/10/17/in-defence-of-the-scalper/#comment-21651 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:03:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4392#comment-21651 Absolutely. I am surprised that ticket sales (or at least a portion of them) to popular events aren’t auctioned off – it’s not as if the technology isn’t there.

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