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Comments on: Who’s the real villain? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/09/whos-the-real-villain/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:36:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: MikeE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/09/whos-the-real-villain/#comment-22280 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:36:20 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4542#comment-22280 Hey, comment spam is getting really clever lately.

I mean its actually specific to the topic post! (i.e. from “Automatic Driveway Gates, Fishing Organisation and Jeans .. lol)

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By: Techgirl http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/09/whos-the-real-villain/#comment-22219 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:18:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4542#comment-22219 I was listening to a radio program this week (sorry I don’t remember which show or who the guest was!) but they were saying that the resources exist to access clean energy which would not require households to make any lifestyle changes. The guest emphasized that there is plenty of energy to go around. The problem is that “big oil” and its money are in control of everything and it doesn’t benefit them to have things any other way.

I’m not suggesting that individuals should have license to be irresponsible. I do a lot in my daily life to reduce my own energy consumption, but on the whole it is very difficult to get people to make lifestyle changes and there are many people who don’t even believe that climate change exists. They actually believe that it is a total myth. Looking to households and individuals for help with this global problem is a major uphill battle.

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By: Keith Ng http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/09/whos-the-real-villain/#comment-22217 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:13:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4542#comment-22217 My point in the article was that most of the emission growth has been in household primary energy consumption (i.e. Cars); that sending price signals to households is popularly framed as hurting households, when in fact households have done the least to improve their energy intensity (of sorts, since households don’t have “energy intensity” per se) and they really need that kick up the backside.

Of course you can introduce the cost at different parts of the production chain, and it’ll eventually come out of households’ pocket – and I wasn’t suggesting that the price signal come directly out of households.

But I don’t think it’s true that, for any product, introducing the cost at any point will have the same effect. When we talk about whether households should be shielded from the cost of climate change, we’re talking about products that’re most energy intensive (i.e. Direct energy consumption), because petrol/electricity prices are more transparent and easily quantifiable than, say, the carbon price that goes into making a block of cheese.

Transparency might not matter to omniscient rational economic agents, but for the rest of us, it makes price changes more salient, leads to loss aversion behaviour, sets off “this is a vice” cues, and so forth.

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By: fishing organizations http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/09/whos-the-real-villain/#comment-22208 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:18:57 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4542#comment-22208 That is one of the concerns of the proposed cap-and-trade legislation. If the government puts to much financial pressure on businesses, it will be passed directly to the comsumer in the form of lower wages and higher prices.

Considering the current state of the economy, this may not be the wisest thing to do at this time.

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