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Comments on: Cubicle cows http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:02:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Tussock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/#comment-22271 Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:02:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4547#comment-22271 Ah yes, I forgot the ETS. Farming of course is almost home free under the new legislation, but the government still pays the Kyoto bills.

The good old NZ taxpayer may be soon subsidising this outfit at almost $2m annually.

Apparently, the ETS will cost NZ $30k for the average farm. If this means $100 per cow per year for the average 300 cow herd, and these boys are going to run 18 000 cows or 60 * average herd size, well…..

This runs out at 60*$30k per year, $1.8m.

Taxpayers can ponder this as they drive past. But then they are not getting a commercial return on their investment in the high country stations either, and tenure review is handing over lakefront property for peanuts.

So it must be OK.

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By: Tussock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/#comment-22263 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:41:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4547#comment-22263 At first glance, this is a crazy idea which will ruin the scenic beauty of McKenzie Country, before its backers go bust.

But this view is clearly naive and out of date. Recall that

1. Farmers are doing this. Therefore it must be OK.

2. The Waitaki District Council has approved the idea, without public notification. Therefore it must be OK.

3. MAF say the proposal is ‘greener’ than the old pasture based grazing. Therefore it must be OK.

4. Jeanette Fitzsimons, Green Saint, endorses Herd Homes. Therefore it must be OK.

5. Serial pollution offences by one of those involved are disregarded in the ECan application. Therefore it must be OK.

6. Most South island rivers have dairy pollution anyway, so a bit more won’t hurt. Therefore it must be OK.

So what’s the problem?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/#comment-22255 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:57:01 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4547#comment-22255 @Homepaddock

In production terms I think the individual farmer is in the best position to figure out how to use their stock for sure – and as a result I would never look at attacking these things on individual efficiency grounds.

The way I see it there are two “anti” arguments, both externalities:

1) It will damage NZ’s reputation – damage that is felt by all farmers even though the choice to do it (and thereby benefit) is only felt by a subgroup.

2) It will hurt the animals and the farmer doesn’t internalise the full impact on these animals when making a choice.

I do not buy the first argument at all, given that this practice is so heavily entrenched overseas, and given that there is little actually “anti” it overseas (people don’t buy our milk for the free rangeness of it as far as I can tell).

The second argument is the concern – but it isn’t clear whether we have too much or too little of this practice for animal welfare. As I said a few weeks ago I was being told NZ farmers were selfish for NOT doing it, now I’m being told they are selfish FOR doing it. What is a caring farmer supposed to do?

Furthermore, as you say if cow production is correlated to happiness a fair amount of the externality may well be internalised in the market anyway.

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By: Homepaddock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/#comment-22253 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:48:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4547#comment-22253 Unhappy cows don’t produce as much milk as happy cows.

I don’t think there are animal welfare concerns about this way of dairying in principle. There might be in practice if staff don’t do their work properly but that applies to conventional dairying too.

However, the cheapest way to convert grass to milk is to leave cows to graze pastures.

There are very few countries with the soils and climate which enable stock to graze outside all year and that provides us with a natural advantage.

It also enables us to counter food mile fallacies with facts – our produce has a smaller environmental impact, even when shipping is taken into account, than Euorpean meat and milk even though it’s produced closer to its markets.

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By: caller unknown http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/#comment-22252 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:57:45 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4547#comment-22252 I seriously think that these types of claims or feelings come from people who have never even seen a farm in most cases. As someone who grew up raising life stock, you have to understand that the methods being used have been around for millennium and have never stopped working. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

So, we as humans somehow know that cattle are stressed in their environment, because we can read the feelings so well of animals, because we’ve got big egos and are pros. We even know that dogs and cats like to be dressed up in halloween costumes that would make the average 5 year old child cringe.

The problems of the world only have to do with us and the fact that we get bored and can’t leave anything alone.

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By: MikeE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/12/10/cubicle-cows/#comment-22233 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:44:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4547#comment-22233 “Stop sending me facebook group invites suggesting that I should sign a petition.”

This.

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