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Comments on: More winners and losers from GST http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/02/11/more-winners-and-losers-from-gst/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:23:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: John http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/02/11/more-winners-and-losers-from-gst/#comment-22998 Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:23:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4751#comment-22998 Interesting article and nice comment you got there. I can’t say more but I totally agreed with you Matt Nolan!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/02/11/more-winners-and-losers-from-gst/#comment-22978 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:00:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4751#comment-22978 @Dismal Soyanz

But Dismal, even if demand is highly inelastic we know that this still constitutes a “income transfer” between borrowers and savers – as the real buying power of savings will decline, and the real buying power of future income has risen.

Even if the allocation of resources is completely unchanged, there is a welfare relevant transfer.

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/02/11/more-winners-and-losers-from-gst/#comment-22977 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:42:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4751#comment-22977 I agree that it’s hard to imagine spending that cannot be shifted to some degree further into the future. However, the two periods under comparison are before and after the tax change. Consumption of non-durables is unlikely to be significantly affected except right at the change over. So the question that springs to my mind is just how much spending is switchable between these two periods. Even time dependent spending may not be – for example someone who will retire in the post tax change period might not bring forward consumption ahead of retirement, regardless of the tax rate.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/02/11/more-winners-and-losers-from-gst/#comment-22971 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:30:39 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4751#comment-22971 @Dismal Soyanz

“This really only applies to highly discrete consumption”

Or discretionary spending, or spending that is time dependent (preferences do change over time after all). In fact, I would say it accounts for the majority of spending.

Now, what is fundamentally driving the initial above is the lifetime budget constraint – if we think that is satisfied then the trade-off is between borrowing and saving is as stated.

When it comes to the last two paragraphs I am assuming some consumption smoothing. The data does indicate that the young borrow more than the old, and that the old are more asset rich – so the conclusion seems fair.

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/02/11/more-winners-and-losers-from-gst/#comment-22969 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:22:58 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4751#comment-22969 Underpinning this view though, Matt, is the stark consumption choice – current or future. This really only applies to highly discrete consumption e.g. buying a car or some other type of durable good other than housing (which for owner occupiers has no GST).

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