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Comments on: Data and prediction http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/04/12/data-and-prediction/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:51:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/04/12/data-and-prediction/#comment-23764 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:51:49 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4851#comment-23764 @forecaster

Indeed, but one of the major criticism of VAR models in general is that it is difficult for us to figure out “why” things are happening.

Statisticians are happy to aim for some semblance of predictive accuracy as a primary goal, however economists add value through there ability to describe and explain.

Don’t get me wrong, forecasting and predictive accuracy are valuable useful things – but there needs to be a clear discussion of “why” things are happening in order to describe of explain.

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By: forecaster http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/04/12/data-and-prediction/#comment-23763 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:44:18 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4851#comment-23763 I have to disagree with your assertion that economists are nervous about predictions with large amounts of data without theory.

The Lucas critique teaches us that you have to be very careful about using estimated econometric relationships for policy making purposes, where changes to policy could have an effect on the estimated relationships. However, this does not preclude using large estimated models as a forecasting tool, assuming that policy will be set in the same manner as it has been in the past.

Indeed, there has been a huge literature over the past 10-15 years devoted to techniques for forecasting using large data panels, such as factor models, factor augmented VARs and large Bayesian VARs. These techniques generally give substantially better forecasting performance than models which are based more formally on economic theory, such as DSGEs.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/04/12/data-and-prediction/#comment-23745 Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:53:37 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4851#comment-23745 @Kimble

Hi Kimble,

I think the layman’s understanding of “social and economic issues” is actually pretty damned sophisticated – the main issue is that peoples view of how economists and other social scientists view the world is overtly simplistic. And to be fair, I guess often economists and other social scientists over simplify to explain things and leave themselves open to this interpretation.

The best we can hope is that, over time, the language of the discipline improves and becomes more transparent in society.

There is some talk that economists have an agency problem – they have to exaggerate the value of their expertise in order to earn extra returns. I don’t know how this works in other areas of the economics world, but its not something I’ve observed where I’m sitting.

As a result, like everything, I just hope that these discussion can be improved with “better information” – in this case I am sure that the physicists could have easily found this information, but they would prefer to leave the social sciences as an easy target for their critiques.

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/04/12/data-and-prediction/#comment-23744 Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:44:17 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=4851#comment-23744 Good post. I just have a couple of questions.

How bad do you think the misunderstanding of economics is in the world, and where do you see it going over the next decade? How long do you think it will take before a proper understanding of economics permeates society? What real world results (i.e. on GDP growth, societal happiness, and the wages) do you expect from this broadening of understanding?

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