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Comments on: A step too far: The case against pursuing direct capital/trade/currency controls http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:06:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: TVHE » Absolutes http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30988 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:06:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30988 […] this is not to say that anyone is the Sith [as I've said before I like Bernard Hickey, I can't imagine him getting red eyes and running round with a lightsaber hunting down economists] […]

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By: TVHE » More on macro controls http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30974 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:47:48 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30974 […] is a great post – adding to the things I said here, so definitely give the whole thing a […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30961 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:29:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30961 @Miguel Sanchez

The best thing I can do is make sure I can understand the defence – so when things go the other why I can clearly whine about it later. It is all about maximising my utility after all.

@Paul Walker

It isn’t clear as the “orthodoxy” is never really defined. It is a lovely straw man to beat up – I see it happening all the time.

I reckon if someone wants to make a policy recommendation they should have to write it in the form:

Premise,
Premise
etc
Premise
=
Conclusion

And they should be willing to argue the logical nature of each premise, and the equals. I suspect if people did this – even implicitly – they would recognise that some of the stuff that comes out is “poppycock”.

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30960 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:24:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30960 “Why we must abandon the economic orthodoxy”

One thing I have always wondered when I see headlines like this is, What is “economic orthodoxy”? Is he really saying we should abandon supply and demand? That we should abandon the Coaseian view of firms? That we should abandon the view that printing money causes inflation? These things seem to be part of the economic orthodoxy to me.

Or does he mean we must abandon things he don’t like and he will define economic orthodoxy to be those things?

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30954 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:44:39 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30954 “The way I see it this provides a brief outline of a defence”

Yes, when the show trials begin I’m sure you’ll be allowed to mount a “defence”.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30952 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:20:09 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30952 @Eric Crampton

The whole compulsion argument is a blunt stick for perceived issues. I just can’t believe that all the people pushing this type of scheme refuse to ask “what” the problem is and “why” it is occurring before coming up with a solution.

We teach kids in school to ask things such as what and why – why is it that so many intelligent people forget it as adults?

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30951 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:59:41 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30951 I can’t believe he’s going for the “make Kiwisaver mandatory and compensate for the mandatory by forcing it to invest in NZ”. FFS: I’m in Kiwisaver now, managed by University superannuation scheme. They force Kiwisaver to run massive weighting on domestics, I ask the Uni superfund to pull me out of the kiwisaver part – I’d sooner lose the tax advantage and keep international portfolio diversification given my very large overall portfolio stake in New Zealand (paying off the house). But to compensate by making it mandatory? Jeebus.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30948 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:07:23 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30948 @Eric Crampton

Tis true, markets fail, governments fail – all economists can do is try to point to the relevant trade-offs.

@Miguel Sanchez

The way I see it this provides a brief outline of a defence – if specific policy recommendations come up I can then do posts on them starting from this point. Even if no-one listens, hopefully the effort isn’t wasted because it “clarifies my own thoughts”.

“Seriously, even I’m (just) old enough to remember the last days of Fortress New Zealand and why it had to come down in a screaming heap. Hickey should surely know better.”

I agree – however, this is the sort of thing fear does to opinions.

My main issue with this sort of thing is not the fact that people want to make things “better” – I agree with that. My main issue is that people seem to want a quick, silver bullet, solution – rather than trying to understand the issues and determine whether a better, consistent, conterfactual exists.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30945 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:07:29 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30945 A wasted effort I’m afraid Matt. “Let’s have the debate” is the catchcry of creationists, prohibitionists, protectionists, and any other group that’s interested in hearing dissenting opinions in much the same way that Mao Zedong was interested in “letting 100 flowers bloom”. When Der Economik Revolution comes you economists will be first up against the wall, unless you can learn to be useful idiots rather than just useful.

Seriously, even I’m (just) old enough to remember the last days of Fortress New Zealand and why it had to come down in a screaming heap. Hickey should surely know better.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/06/a-step-too-far-the-case-against-pursuing-direct-capitaltradecurrency-controls/#comment-30944 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:56:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5392#comment-30944 The only thing I’d add is a link to Masonomics. Hickey’s right that markets fail; he’s missed that politics usually fails worse and has crap incentives to fix things.

Thanks for posting this.

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