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Comments on: Race to the bottom actually race to the top http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:01:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: bob http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30986 Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:01:30 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30986 I have no idea where these guys are coming from. A currency war causes everyone to lose? Why is that Mr. Reich? Because it leads to high inflation? And what causes the high inflation? Rising AD? And what is the point of the fiscal stimulus you favor? Higher AD?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30984 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:47:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30984 @Miguel Sanchez

Good in the sense that it drives the real interest rate down – which is nice since we are net debtors.

Don’t get me wrong, global hyperinflation would be a fools game – were everyone loses. But in a situation of insufficient demand lower real interest rates help – and given our position as net debtors it also provides a positive income transfer relative to the counterfactual.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30979 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:17:41 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30979 Matt, I noticed that further back you said that global money printing could turn out to be a good thing for NZ. I could see it actually being a very bad thing for NZ (depending on our own policy response), but I’d like to hear your thoughts first.

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By: Weekend reading, 8 October 2010 « Policy Progress http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30978 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:04:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30978 […] – Stiglitz: Central Banks Creating ‘Chaos’ Matt Nolan (The Visible Hand in Economics)  – Race to the bottom actually race to the top Bernard Hickey – Opinion: Why NZ can’t step aside and wait to be slaughtered in the […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30975 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:01:13 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30975 @Miguel Sanchez

Awesome!!!

No doubt it is going to be an exciting time – will give us plenty to write about 😉

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30968 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 04:12:57 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30968 I also have great faith in the ability of central banks to control inflation – just not in the direction you’re thinking.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30967 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:55:38 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30967 @Miguel Sanchez

“Steady on, it’s not that bad. In terms of efficiency, consumption tax > tariffs > income tax.”

Bastards is a gentle ribbing term – I use it to describe anything that is mildly irritating, such as a fly that just won’t leave the room.

“And you’re right that it’s a matter of when, not if.”

Hehe – nice twist on my words there.

I have an unjustifiably high level of faith in the ability of our independent central banks to control inflationary pressures – the reason for this is that, when it doesn’t happen, I can immediately just blame them, rather than having to look for some other excuse 😉

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30966 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:51:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30966 “Those bastards.”

Steady on, it’s not that bad. In terms of efficiency, consumption tax > tariffs > income tax.

“it is only when inflation starts kicking in that they get irritated”

Definitely, because they are a nation of savers. And you’re right that it’s a matter of when, not if.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30965 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:09:07 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30965 @Miguel Sanchez

“Remember that until recent history tariffs were seen as a perfectly reasonable way for governments to raise revenue, given the relative difficulty of policing income taxes.”

Those bastards.

“The Chinese government might have a problem with this though. And they don’t really seem like a ‘forgive and forget’ sort of bunch.”

Ahhh, but if they are pegging their currency to everyone elses there currency relatively devalues as well – so it is only when inflation starts kicking in that they get irritated. So they don’t mind the AD businesses – it is just real interest rates.

If we have truly independent central banks we shouldn’t need to worry about this. And if we don’t, this could be a constraining factor on government intervention to devalue their debt. Either way – I’m still happy as long as we don’t end up with a trade or military war.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/10/07/race-to-the-bottom-actually-race-to-the-top/#comment-30964 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:02:54 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5419#comment-30964 Hmmm, maybe “moral” is not quite the right word, but slapping tariffs on foreigners has an air of legitimacy that debasing your own currency doesn’t. Remember that until recent history tariffs were seen as a perfectly reasonable way for governments to raise revenue, given the relative difficulty of policing income taxes.

“And if they it doesn’t, we are pretty much saying that the countries that lent so freely during the past decade will suffer for not taking account of risk – to be honest I have little problem with this.”

The Chinese government might have a problem with this though. And they don’t really seem like a ‘forgive and forget’ sort of bunch.

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