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Comments on: Sentence to ponder http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:06:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Horace the Grump http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/#comment-31721 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:06:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5576#comment-31721 I suspect three factors… increases in house size (square meters), continuing falls in people per household and the wealth effect encouraging people to increase their mortgages to fund consumption (the ubiquitous wide screen TV etc).

But I suspect that the latter is a weaker effect, given that finance companies focused on consumer finance (rather than property) have done much better in the finance company debacle than the property focused finance companies.

The building cost argument has to be seen in the context of land prices… sure there has been inflation in building costs on a square meter basis, but the cost of land has been a far greater driver of house price inflation…

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By: Greg http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/#comment-31719 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:25:53 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5576#comment-31719 “Too much” is a value judgement, and invites the question, “compared to what?”

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/#comment-31718 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:09:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5576#comment-31718 “if we were simply trading houses it should have had an impact on our net debt position per see, only on our gross debt.”

I have a feeling we’ve covered this before… you can increase net debt if you hold more leverage over the same assets. Which we did, because it was the tax-efficient thing to do in the 2000s.

If you’re suggesting over-investment in housing over the course of several decades though…. ehhhhh, maybe. The quality of New Zealand’s housing stock is pretty poor; you could just as well say that we came from a point of under-investment.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/#comment-31714 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:55:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5576#comment-31714 @Miguel Sanchez

“And if we were simply trading existing houses amongst ourselves in the last few years of the boom, then it follows that we weren’t ‘demanding’ bigger houses.”

That is true, but … if we were simply trading houses it should have had an impact on our net debt position per see, only on our gross debt. The size of housing has pushed up substantially over the past two decades, and I have to wonder if there hasn’t been a mis-match in terms of residential investment over part of this period.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/#comment-31705 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:11:14 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5576#comment-31705 “were we spending too much building houses, or simply building up the mortgage in order to consume excessive amounts of non-housing goods”

I suspect the answer is that we did one, then the other, in the last decade. OTOH, housing construction peaked in 2004, which made sense given that building costs were spiralling up as much as sale prices were by that stage. So the debt that we were racking up from then on was used to bid up the prices of existing houses more than to pay for new ones. And if we were simply trading existing houses amongst ourselves in the last few years of the boom, then it follows that we weren’t ‘demanding’ bigger houses.

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By: TVHE » Another sentence http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/12/16/sentence-to-ponder/#comment-31701 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 04:07:22 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5576#comment-31701 […] happens if the debt-financing was of investment, residential investment.  Does this really mean we need to cut […]

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