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Comments on: “Irrationality” is not a sufficient condition for intervention http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:07:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: bLack http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-32112 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:07:07 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-32112 I agree, systematic biases often require an institution to improve outcomes – such as government. And if that case is made, that is nice.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31945 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 03:40:18 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31945 @rauparaha: You still need that, expectationally, policy makers are less prone to irrationality than are individuals. And voters are the ultimate monitors of whether policy makers are getting things right. And voters are irrational when acting as voters.

Irrationality all the way down, and worse than just leaving folks be, I’d say…..

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31943 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:56:27 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31943 @Joe

“On another note, as a first time commenter I was surprised that there was such a lag while moderation took place”

Fair enough. Moderation is done manually, so times vary strongly. There are many many spam comments to sort through – and the spam filter appears to block comments almost at random.

I have also been away from the blog quite a bit – I prefer to reply to comments fairly regularly but haven’t had the opportunity over the past couple of months (between being away and my internet at home not working).

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By: Joe http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31942 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:52:13 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31942 I certainly see where you’re coming from Matt. there is a risk that ‘irrationality’ will become the new market failure’ – that label describing a ‘problem’ that is generically slapped on anything a policy analyst, or as likely, a politician, wants to meddle with.

I think @rauparaha has done a good job of indicating why the baby shouldn’t be thrown out with the bath water there.

On another note, as a first time commenter I was suprised that there was such a lag while moderation took place. Can you advance an economic arguement to support that? I would have thought the marketplace of ideas would be sufficent to sort things out.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31941 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:44:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31941 @Joe

Indeed. The main difference with nudging and direct regulation is that at least you have verifiable choice – which implies that we have some additional idea regarding whether the policy is good or not.

@rauparaha

I agree, systematic biases often require an institution to improve outcomes – such as government. And if that case is made, that is nice.

My issue here is when people just say “irrationality” and then sell their pet intervention 😉

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31940 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:34:05 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31940 I think it depends what you mean by ‘irrationality’. Certainly it is insufficient to point to a cognitive limitation or an information cost to suggest that people are irrational. However, I think the irrationality that is often being referenced as a justification for intervention is different: it is a situation in which a person systematically fails to take an action that would maximise their utility. If the government can help them to take action at a very small cost then I think there may be a prima facie case for intervention.

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By: Investimenti Estero http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31928 Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:35:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31928 You are right 🙂

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By: Joe http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/01/21/irrationality-is-not-a-sufficient-condition-for-intervention/#comment-31926 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:23:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5609#comment-31926 Can I paraphrase your post and edit your final quotation to say “it DOES matter if people are irrational, it’s just that there are other things that matter too” – see your list of questions.

Intervening because of ‘irrationality’ is and will always be paternalist in some way shape or form. It requires the government to advance the position that it knows better than its citizens. So the sorts of questions you pose about savings aren’t, I would say, fundamentally different than those that might be asked when the government passes usury laws or bans party pills or poligamy or anything else.

I think the idea that individuals can look after themselves better than the government can is a good starting point – and note that’s different from assuming individuals are rational (cos they’re not). But that’s a rebuttable presumption.

I’m not sufficently familiar with the issue of savings to make a call as to whether it meets this test. But the other thing I would say is that government intervention need not necessarily amount to compulsion. Some might say that the opt-out Kiwisaver arrangements are basically cut from the same cloth, but you can envisage interventions even lighter – compulsory financial education of some kind, a mandatory choice (rather than opt out) when signing for a new job (like having to fill in your tax code)…

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