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Comments on: Commitment and the gym http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 21 Jun 2022 16:50:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Mikeeeey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32714 Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:53:26 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32714 DT’s post made me take notice, do you guys trade or split your gym memberships over in NZ? They are pretty tight and stringent with any kind of ‘sharing’ of your gym membership here in the UK, for the amount you get ripped off by you’d think we’d have taken more of a stand against it!! :\

MK

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By: Mikeeeey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32713 Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:51:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32713 DT’s post made me take notice, do you guys trade or split your gym memberships over in NZ? They are pretty tight and stringent with any kind of ‘sharing’ of your gym membership here in the UK, for the amount you get ripped off by you’d think we’d have taken more of a stand against it!! :\

M

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By: Mike Kliem http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32437 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:49:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32437 Joined a gym many times so far in my life.. Stopped and started.. best thing was when I looked in the mirror with no clothes on.. Should be compulsory for all those who need some commitment
Steel Juicer

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By: DT http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32253 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:57:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32253 Good post Matt.

I can’t remember my logic now, but I always thought that it would be interesting to compare the second hand market for gym memberships (ie via trademe) to compare those gym membershups that are transferrable vs. those that are not would be an interesting way to measure this phenomenon. As I say, I forget exactly how I thought this would work but am confident that it would be an interesting quantifiable avenue for research.

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By: JiveKitty http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32248 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:00:17 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32248 raf, yours is an opposite scenario:

End result in this case is the action the individual directly controls – going to the gym and working out (single party); pregnancy is the indirect result of actions the individuals involved directly control (multi party).

Paying someone not to get pregnant or not to impregnate is not the same as penalising somebody for not doing something – in this case, going to the gym and working out. As such, the mechanism is very different to that of a penalising one which is 1) freely chosen and 2) the result of the individual considering the choice in the context of the medium to long term. Sex, on the other hand, which is a necessary – although insufficient – condition for unplanned pregnancy, is often considered in the context of the short-term, particularly for youth and particularly given the biological processes which take place around the time of such a decision (poor calculation of probabilities in terms of long term outcomes, lowered inhibitions, etc). As such, this, as well as getting pregnant/impregnating somebody being an indirect result, means it’s signifcantly harder to control in terms of outcome even were payment a particularly viable incentive tool (As well as this, unlike the above gym and workout situation, if one sees the rate of pregnancy and impregnation in and by those under twenty as overly high and problematic, a conclusion could be that the negatives of pregnancy don’t even seem effective as penalising factors, but that possibly speaks to the mindset when the decision is made).

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By: raf http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32242 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:14:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32242 So how about paying girls under the age of 20 not to get pregnant? $500 a year. And we shouldn’t leave the boys out either. Same for them not to impregnate.

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By: Did you see the one about . . . « Homepaddock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32241 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:01:48 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32241 […] Commitment and the gym – The Visible Hand in Economics on a gym that has a financial disincentive for sloth. […]

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By: Tweets that mention TVHE » Commitment and the gym -- Topsy.com http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32221 Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:10:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32221 […] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Matt Nolan, Mary Hayes. Mary Hayes said: TVHE » Commitment and the gym: Everyone I know says they want to spend more time at the gym – myself included. H… http://bit.ly/g6C0Ev […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32219 Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:23:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32219 @rauparaha

I have no doubt there is a very specific situation where it will be a second-best solution – and of course I will give you that point.

However, I am of the opinion that, in general, there is a superior “second-best” solution in so far as the government can make a institution, or opt-in contract, which will allow people to choose commitment individually – thereby making use of revealed preferences.

In many ways it is similar to the reason why we choose externality taxes above direct regulation – unless the cost of said tax (commitment mechanism) is very large, it remains superior to direct regulation.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/11/commitment-and-the-gym/#comment-32218 Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:20:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5693#comment-32218 So it’s good when people individually opt to precommit but not good when people collectively opt to precommit?! I understand the costs due to heterogeneity but that doesn’t prevent it being a second best solution.

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