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Comments on: Car safety and the economic method http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:12:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Simeon http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32307 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:45:30 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32307 There’s an EconTalk podcast from 2006 that covers this topic well: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/11/peltzman_on_reg.html

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32263 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:41:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32263 @Paul Walker

Effectively – but that is mainly used in the context of regulation, when I was discussing increasing safety more generally (eg from improving technology and the associated choice of consumers to stick it in their cars).

The key point of the post isn’t really car safety at all – its just an example of thinking about “social situations” like an economist, something we all know about already 😉

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32262 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:38:24 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32262 “So, in this case, the increase in car safety lead to an action that was detrimental – the fact that the probability of injury to the driver was now lower means that he was taking on an action that endangered others. The increase in car safety effectively lowered the price for taking on an action that had a negative externality!”

Isn’t this just the Peltzman effect?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32261 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:02:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32261 @rauparaha

That is testable, we just need to find the person we’re discussing and run the Samuelson punk test (1955).

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32260 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:00:22 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32260 @Matt Nolan
I hypothesise that it is because they’re punks 😉

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32259 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:55:03 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32259 @rauparaha

Tbf, it is only a small minority of cyclists that are poorly behaved – much like the cars methinks.

If we just allowed people to hit other people with baseball bats when they do something like this it would solve all the problems – I had no idea why the guy in my story was so angry at the cyclist.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32258 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:52:38 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32258 @Matt Nolan
I was referring to cyclists on the road. I believe the same holds for cyclists on pavements along Thorndon Quay and the waterfront in Wellington and they are overly reckless; my sympathies definitely lie with runners and walkers there.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32257 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:50:44 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32257 @rauparaha

As someone that attempts to run I’m not sure cyclists fully bear the cost of their random braking and swerving around when they are on the shared cycle/walk way on Thordon Quay/Hutt Road. Overtaking me, then arbitrarily braking to look in a shop really does piss me off 😉

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32256 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:47:35 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32256 I would also note that this is an argument commonly employed by cyclists accused of reckless riding: they usually bear the full cost of their actions while drivers’ reckless actions around cyclists are usually also borne by cyclists. Hence, drivers are probably too reckless and cyclists optimally reckless from a social point of view.

Non-cyclists rarely seem sympathetic to that line of argument, though =/

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/14/car-safety-and-the-economic-method/#comment-32255 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:47:06 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5703#comment-32255 @rauparaha

That is a very good point – will find his introductory post and link to it.

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