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Comments on: Prices and scarcity: Milk http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:28:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32451 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:28:18 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32451 @Matt: Excellent. Now that’s the part that needs to be added to your post.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32449 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:38:54 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32449 @Homepaddock

Indeed. However, I’m not really sure how much of a premium is paid on the brand within NZ in the first place – but that is definitely the way they would have seen it.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32448 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:37:46 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32448 @Eric Crampton

Of course, the elasticity of demand for chicken is higher than that for milk – so we would expect any differences in scale and processing to come more fully through prices for milk, and more fully through quantities when it comes to chicken.

Also, the law doesn’t prevent entry into the milk market from foreign providers right – so the potential for entry severely limits Fonterra’s ability to extract rents from the domestic economy.

Finally, in Australia there have been concerns about milk and there has recently been a “price war” with supermarkets using milk as a loss leader – in this context we can’t really compare milk prices between countries.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32447 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:27:10 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32447 I’ll play devil’s advocate. Tyler has Tyrone; here’s Ehrlich to the usual Eric.

Sure, it’s crazy to compare NZ fluid milk prices to US prices. First off, NZ prices for everything are more expensive. So it’s no surprise that NZ fluid milk is more expensive than US fluid milk. Moreover, the American dairy compact system with market orders on pricing results in fluid milk selling very cheaply while milk products like ice cream, cheese and baby formula sell for more than they do here in New Zealand – baby food in particular is twice the NZ price.

But fluid milk is cheaper in Australia than here. And other grocery prices there are about in line with grocery prices here – compare woolworths.co.nz with woolworths.com.au. Pick a random aisle. Most stuff’s about what we’d pay here once you factor in exchange rates. But milk is cheaper there. Only difference is Fonterra. Usually we’d say something like economies of scale in processing and distribution. But there’s no reason to expect those would hit us worse in town milk than in chicken; chicken prices are similar both sides of the ditch.

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By: Farmers aren’t creaming it « Homepaddock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32446 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:02:17 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32446 […] Visible Hand in Economics sounds a note of caution about this […]

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By: Homepaddock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32445 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:39:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32445 I suspect Fonterra decided the damage to the brand from continuing rising prices would be greater than the cost of a price freeze.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32444 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:19:47 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32444 @Tribeless

@Horace the Grump

I also suspect a politically motivated move from Fonterra in this instance. But there is no doubt it is possible to spin an economic case if we try hard enough … a mix of reputation effects and cross-subsidisation through the price of other products methinks.

@JC

That is an interesting point. Would the supermarkets try to import milk from overseas, or does Fonterra have sufficient networking ability to keep in a premium? If they do – wouldn’t that premium already be in the price? If so, we would expect Fonterra to cut prices to avoid foreign entry.

Will be interesting to see. I would expect food commodity prices to peak fairly soon.

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By: JC http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32436 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:59:07 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32436 So what happens to the freeze if the export price falls below the domestic price?

JC

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By: Horace the Grump http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32431 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:15:09 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32431 I think you will find there is currently a review of the dairy restructuring act that creating Fonterra underway… So it could quite easily be a case of the company making sure that there is nothing going on that would aggravate politicians about its activities in an election year…

I also see the deadweight loss to the economy from this move, but Fonterra clearly sees a risk to its long term future if it raises the hackles of the electorate at a time when its legislative ‘licence’ is being reviewed by Govt….

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By: Tribeless http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/02/21/prices-and-scarcity-milk/#comment-32430 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:24:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5730#comment-32430 I suspect it’s a similar tactic from Fonterra that the utilities companies in the US (or any crony capitalist economy) routinely use: namely, be seen to voluntarily tow the Government line in order to either avoid the legislating away of their monopoly, or, at the very least, to stop a central government pricing control being forced on them so setting a precedent.

Just politics, and serving to show how far we are from having a free economy.

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