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Comments on: AMI and moral hazard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:41:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Mary http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33419 Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:41:20 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33419 What is the moral difference between insured by AMI or Western Pacific? Unless govt thinks there are lots more shonky insurance companies out there, why are they not treating like for like? AMI policiy holders are no more deserving than WPI policy holders. They are both victims of a shonky insurance environment where cowboy brokers take excessive commissions to place insurance with companies set up by people blacklisted in Australia (i.e. McNally). Both govt (MED) and the insurance industry (Insurance Council and brokers) have known for months that there was a problem but they did nothing to alert the public or look after anyone but themselves. Now us poor sucker have to carry the can.

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By: Fed Up http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33314 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:33:24 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33314

Miguel Sanchez :I just realised that we haven’t even touched on the worst aspect of this moral hazard. Bailing out AMI – but not Western Pacific – tells insurers to go for growth at all costs, until they’re big enough to be “too big to fail”. Never mind that that rapid growth will probably sow the seeds of their own demise. It worked for South Canterbury Finance – ten years ago they wouldn’t have been large enough to warrant a bailout.

I totally agree with this and it is something that seems to have been missed in the media.
There is a lot behind this decision, nor did it surprise me that it was made, I know that not all government members were supportive of this bailout for the very reasons mentioned here, but senior members made the decision.
NZ Prudential Regulation is currently weak and the Reserve Bank was in the process of increasing the controls, more will come out of this in the next 6 months and insurance companies will not squeal too much when it is accelerated, knowing that potential Government support is at stake.

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By: MrV http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33254 Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:00:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33254 @Dismal Soyanz
I don’t doubt that the geological record holds many as yet undiscovered clues. But whether we will ever be able to a) research b)interpret and c) apply it, and d) do it a timely manner is certainly an open question.

In relation to this situation perhaps it should only be insurers with significantly diversified global resources to draw on that should be able to insurer these sorts of risks. That would provide a natural barrier for mutuals getting too large, given that if people want the fully comprehensive cover that includes natural disaster they would have to get at least some of their policy from a more diversified insurer.

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33239 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:30:47 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33239

MrV :
However given that Western civilisation has only lived on these islands for say 200 years, we really don’t know what geological time has in store for us.

Not quite true. I have a couple of geologist friends who explained how the geological record can provide evidence of major seismic events stretching back megazillions of years. Whether we a) researched, b) interpreted ans c) applied the geological record correctly is another matter.

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By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33238 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:25:11 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33238 Not being an AMI policyholder (I narrowly avoided that one by actually finding a cheaper quote from a competitor whom I knew something about their balance sheet health to be comfortable), I have a question. How much information was given to prospective and actual policyholders regarding the risk allocation of AMI? There is certainly none obvious on their website

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33237 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 05:13:02 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33237 I just realised that we haven’t even touched on the worst aspect of this moral hazard. Bailing out AMI – but not Western Pacific – tells insurers to go for growth at all costs, until they’re big enough to be “too big to fail”. Never mind that that rapid growth will probably sow the seeds of their own demise. It worked for South Canterbury Finance – ten years ago they wouldn’t have been large enough to warrant a bailout.

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By: TVHE » More on AMI http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33223 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 20:50:02 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33223 […] surprised that no-one has mentioned the idea of a “bank run” on AMI in the comments to this previous post.  Surely the justification for government action is that, without it, non-claimants would pull out […]

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33221 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:33:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33221

Greg :After some pondering, I’m back where I started. The knowledge that their claims will always be paid will lead customers of insurance companies, house buyers, to be imprudent. If an insurer knows that she can’t make money from a bailout, i.e. that she has to face the true risks, she will not fall prey to moral hazard.

No, that’s a false distinction, and funnily enough in this case it’s easy to demonstrate why. AMI is a mutual; the customers ARE the owners.

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By: Greg http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33216 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 08:32:23 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33216 After some pondering, I’m back where I started. The knowledge that their claims will always be paid will lead customers of insurance companies, house buyers, to be imprudent. If an insurer knows that she can’t make money from a bailout, i.e. that she has to face the true risks, she will not fall prey to moral hazard.

The moral hazard lies definitely with the householder and only possibly with the insurer; it is the householder who has taken on excessive risk and is now being bailed out.

I guess we’ll see. If insurance premiums do not rise differentially for property in liquefaction-prone areas, now that the risk has been made plain, then that would be prima facie evidence of moral hazard in insurers.

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By: Greg http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/#comment-33213 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:18:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5909#comment-33213

Matt Nolan :
@Greg
The moral hazard issue I’m talking about … insurance firms are … willing to take on more risk, as they know that when an event that causes a large claim comes in they have a society that will pay for them …

Again, that applies if AMI’s owners don’t bear their losses in full. If they do bear the losses in full (i.e.without benefit of bankruptcy, etc), we avoid moral hazard. But perhaps you are operating in the real world … 😉

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